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Alvin P. Adams Sr.

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No indication of importance, does not pass WP:GNG Kingsmasher678 (talk) 16:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emily Roberts

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I am nominating this to become a redirect to the subject's band, The Last Dinner Party; I choose not to do this unilaterally because NPP reviewer Ipigott re-reviewed it after I unreviewed it. None of the article's current citations show WP:BANDMEMBER being met; they consist of two insta posts, two interviews, the subject's webpage, and a performance listing. My WP:BEFORE search showed coverage in the context of the band and interviews, not enough to meet BANDMEMBER. Mach61 16:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Md Nahid Islam

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No indication of notability per WP:CREATIVE. Main claim to fame is that he was the youngest professional sports photographer. Articles was draftified yesterday from Md. Nahid Islam, sourced only with the dailycricket.com.bn sports blog post. Today it's been recreated with a second sports blog post from rabsportsnews.com, dated today, not a good sign of an independent source. A WP:BEFORE search turned up no coverage in reliable sources in English or Bengali (নাহিদ ইসলাম). Editors searching for any RS I missed please note that Nahid Islam is an unrelated activist. Wikishovel (talk) 16:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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James Shaw Jr.

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James Shaw Jr. should be deleted because he does not meet Wikipedia's notability threshold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praiawart (talk • contribs) 16:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdul Samad Dawood

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Little has changed in his fortunes since the last AFD eight months ago. He's still a successful and civic-minded businessman from a prominent Pakistani business family, and has worked at a high level for some notable companies. But on Wikipedia, notability is not inherited. I couldn't find SIGCOV of him in English or Urdu, just passing mentions in articles about the companies and organisations he's worked for, nothing to bring it up to the standard of WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Wikishovel (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: If only he had appeared in a few dramas, even in tiny roles, his BLP might have been easily saved from deletion under WP:NACTOR! But it’s ironic that someone so important in Pakistan's business community doesn’t have enough coverage that meets GNG. Anyway, I’ll hold off on voting for now. PS. No offense to the nominator Wikishovel, who also has legitimate reasons for taking it to AFD. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Still not a slam dunk; outside of the Engro connection, there are no RS that discuss him and we only have source 13 that is helpful. Rest are yellow per Source Highlighter, so of moderate reliability. I still don't see/find much else we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 22:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: The article follows the guidelines of WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV as it demonstrates significant coverage in both Pakistani and international media, meeting WP:RS. As per WP:BASIC, “People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[4] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[5] and independent of the subject.[6]” Please feel free to check the sources, they meet all the mentioned criteria. Crosji (talk) 07:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reuters is RS.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 14:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Reuters reference is indeed a reliable source, but that article is a summarised interview, and interviews are WP:Primary sources. Wikishovel (talk) 07:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-notable obscure business executive. Already deleted under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samad Dawood. I suggest to WP:SALT the topic because Dawood family won't stop paying these UPEs. 188.31.32.162 (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: This statement clearly violates WP:AFDEQ by making personal remarks about the subject. Given this user's anonymity, it could potentially be part of a coordinated attack, possibly even Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry.
Crosji (talk) 08:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable at this time. The sources that are not not primary/self-published, Reuters, Financial Post, The News, can be considered trivial mentions at most, but not significant coverage about Dawood. These sources are a better proof of notability for the corporation, Engro, not for Dawood himself. Prof.PMarini (talk) 08:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this is WP:V and there exist WP:NEXIST 202.141.250.250 (talk) 11:47, 29 August 2024 (UTC)— 202.141.250.250 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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Redirect to Dawood Hercules Corporation because he's prominent businessman serving on the board of various companies under Dawood Hercules Corporation. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 14:41, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ The references for this article are strong, even for a stub. The subject is a notable businessman in Pakistan with occasional public appearances. His notability is supported by coverage from reputable national newspapers and some international outlets. The first deletion discussion, with only one vote for deletion, appeared premature. Hence the new article has been improved with additional sources. While contributions are welcome, the arguments for deletion are not in line with policy. -Crosji (talk) 06:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strikethrough of second !vote: in an WP:AFD discussion, we get to post our recommendation just once. You're welcome to comment as much as you like. Wikishovel (talk) 07:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~: While there may not be extensive media coverage, the subject is undoubtedly an influential figure in Pakistan’s business community, as highlighted by Saqib and others above. The significance is evident through the inclusion in government advisory groups and recognized contributions. The cited sources, including interviews with reputable, independent global media, further reinforce the prominence. Instead of debating the subject’s notability, efforts would be better spent refining and improving the article.

202.141.250.250 (talk) 10:56, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strikethrough of second !vote: in an WP:AFD discussion, we get to post our recommendation just once. You're welcome to comment as much as you like. Wikishovel (talk) 11:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The sources are solid. The fact that there is coverage from independent national newspapers support notability.
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Note: Closing admin should disregard some IP votes, as it appears that canvassing may be influencing the outcome. --— Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting as I still don't see a consensus (even after disregarding second "votes" that were cast). A source review could be helpful as well as arguments based in policy. Opinions, both pro and con, based on who he is related to, are not useful to an AFD discussion.
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Redirect to Dawood Hercules Corporation. I was in the process of closing as such, but as we edit conflicted will just leave this as a !vote. He does not merit a standalone, but the target makes sense. Protect if needed against disruptive recreation. Star Mississippi 22:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment here's a source assessment, as suggested by Liz above in the relisting comment:

Source	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Wikishovel
Karachi School of Business & Leadership, "Mr. Abdul Samad Dawood"[1]	profile page from a university of which he's on the board of governors	✘ No
Engro Corporation "Engro Corporation 1H 2021 Results" [2]	A press release by his employer announcing compamy results, mentions him briefly in one paragraph	✘ No
The Express Tribune "Summit highlights importance of girls’ education" [3]	Routine coverage of the International Women Leaders Summit, where he's mentioned in passing as an attendee	✘ No
The Express Tribune "Corporate Corner"	a photo of six CEOs and CFOs at a conference, with Dawood and the other five mentioned in passing in the caption	✘ No
Financial Post "Pakistan's Engro Looks To Invest In Other Developing Nations"	an article about Engro, with several quotes from an interview with Dawood	✘ No
Pakistan Stock Exchange "Resignation of Director" [4]	Formal letter to the stock exchange announcing Dawood's resignation from Cyan in 2014	✘ No
Pakistan Stock Exchange "Board Meeting - Election of Chairman and appointment of CEO, CFO and Company Secretary"[5]	Another formal letter to the stock exchange announcing Dawood's election as chairman of Cyan in 2022	✘ No
Pakistan Stock Exchange "Change of CEO" [6]	Another formal letter to the stock exchange announcing Dawood's appointment as CEO of Dawood Hercules in 2014	✘ No
Pakistan Stock Exchange "Appointment of CEO" [7]	Another formal letter to the stock exchange announcing Dawood's resignation as CEO of Dawood Hercules in 2016	✘ No
Business School Lausanne "PEBBLES (PVT) Ltd.: “Building Hopes” " [8]	Case study by a business school on a subsidiary company of Dawood Hercules, where Samad Dawood is mentioned in three places as the parent company's CEO, e.g. " the organization’s sustainability perspective and the journey it took to transform the dream of Mr. Samad Dawood, the CEO of Dawood Hercules Corporation, into a reality"	✘ No
The Express Tribune "Dutch company acquires Engro Foods for $446.81m"[9]	Article about another company taking over Engro Foods, with a quote from Dawood from the Engro press release.	✘ No
Reuters "Pakistani conglomerate Engro looks to go global, its main investor says" [10]	Interview with Dawood about Engro, primary source	✘ No
Pakistan Today " "Engro's Rs60 billion question" [11]	Article about the company, with several quotes from Dawood and some analysis of his role, meets SIGCOV.	✔ Yes
Khaadi "Abdul Samad Dawood"[12]	A short director profile by his employer, primary source.	✘ No
Pakistan Business Council "About PBC"[13]	Simply lists him as a board member.	✘ No
Hub Power Company "Annual Report 2016"[14]	Annual report simply lists him as a board member, with a short bio.	✘ No
Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited "Annual Report 2008"[15]	Annual report simply lists him as director, with a short bio.	✘ No
The News International "In rare visit, top Pakistani business leaders meet US officials"[16]	Routine coverage of a trade delegation to the US, mentions him in passing as one of the eight members.	✘ No
The Nation (Pakistan) "Inaugural meeting of Industrial Advisory Council held"[17]	Routine coverage of a government-backed business conference, mentions him in passing as one of the members attending.	✘ No
Pakistan Today "Govt establishes Industry Advisory Council to develop industrial policy"[18]	More routine coverage of the government-backed business conference above, mentions him in passing as one of the members attending.	✘ No
WWF–Pakistan "Annual report 2012"[19]	Listed on p. 56 in the list of board members	✘ No
Business Recorder "WWF-P holds awards ceremony"[20]	Routine coverage of awards ceremony, briefly mentions Dawood and another member getting certificates of appreciation	✘ No
ABC News (United States) "Titanic submersible victim’s deaths ‘brought the world together,’ Dawood family member says"[21]	Short interview with Samad Dawood on his grief following his brother's death in an accident, primary source. (Please see article for full URL: source assessment template doesn't work with full YouTube links with separators.)	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Wikishovel (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have just added an additional source from Bloomberg.com, a reputable and independent news outlet, further strengthening the subject’s notability. The table is impressive, though I am unclear why some quotes are not considered significant coverage, as they seem to meet GNG criteria:

- The Reuters article is based on a direct interview with the subject.

- The 2016 Express Tribune article by Salman Siddiqui, from one of Pakistan’s leading English-language newspapers, features prominent quotes from the subject.

- Additionally, a university case study is inherently independent, so I wonder why this is being questioned. Crosji (talk) 11:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not every single businessman from Pakistan becomes notable just for being involve in a business inside Pakistan. BLP lacks significant coverage in reliable sources and by looking at image it seems it is a case of COI. 39.34.141.22 (talk) 09:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Not sure why you haven't logged in yet, especially since you seem to have a deeper understanding than the average user. Check THIS VIDEO out to see that the involvement extends beyond Pakistan. - Crosji (talk) 10:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Agree with Wikishovel's table above - I think Profit's article is about Engro so I would not count it as significant coverage about Dawood (I only found a few quotes from him in that article). 202.47.50.250 (talk) 04:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I am truly impressed by the expertise and subtlety of this contribution. It appears, however, that this necessitates you remaining anonymous and refraining from responding to my comments, which is quite unfortunate. Crosji (talk) 17:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kushtaka

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The only sources (apart from two TV episodes) appear to be fictional. Slatersteven (talk) 15:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Apocalypse: From Us

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Fails WP:NALBUM. Redirect was reverted DonaldD23 talk to me 14:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Dreamcatcher (group): found no additional coverage. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this will be better redirect to Dreamcatcher_discography#Extended_plays. Agree? RangersRus (talk) 21:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: as it has enough sources in Korean articles be it in Naver, Daum, or Nate. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide a link to these articles so they can be assessed? DonaldD23 talk to me 19:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Dreamcatcher_discography#Extended_plays. Poor sources on the page with no significant coverage. RangersRus (talk) 21:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the person who revert the initial deletion/redirect, I should probably comment as well (especially since the lack of discussion was the reason for my revert). I'm not familiar with how these discussions usually go, but going off the list provided in WP:NALBUM, I'd say it passes on at least the second of the criteria, since the album has appeared on the Korean "Circle Album Chart" recording a highest position of #7. The article also has several references which would allow it to pass the first criteria, but there's also references in there which I would not consider reliable or independent (KTown4u for example is an online store, not a reliable news outlet). Whether this is enough too keep the article, I leave for other editors to decide.DragonFury (talk) 16:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Keep as per DragonFury. The article needs fixing though. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of fictional primates in film

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A vast majority of list is WP:LISTCRUFT and fails WP:LISTCRIT. I would also support a merge back into List of fictional primates if the outcome isn't deletion. Sir MemeGod  15:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Manabu Kubota

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Played 16 games in Japan's second league twenty years ago, no sign of WP:GNG/WP:SIGCOV. Geschichte (talk) 14:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Huang Pu

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. References are not significant and he has played only 9 games in China's third league as well as some in Portuguese amateur leagues. Geschichte (talk) 14:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shunya Suzuki

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This footballer does not meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT yet, having only played 108 minutes of league football. Sources provided in Ja:wiki are either WP:PRIMARY or WP:PASSING. Geschichte (talk) 14:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of fictional canines in literature

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Entire list is WP:LISTCRUFT. Should more likely than not be merged into List of fictional canines if not deleted. Sir MemeGod  14:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to List of fictional canines. That this was split when it's so short confuses me. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of fictional canines in comics

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The vast majority of the already-short list is WP:LISTCRUFT, could be merged into List of fictional canines, where an empty section already exists. Sir MemeGod  14:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of fictional canines in animation

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Seems to be WP:LISTCRUFT. Would also support a merge back to List of fictional canines. Sir MemeGod  14:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect/merge with List of fictional dogs in animated television. Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner and Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog) are the only two articles that exist for the things listed here. Not enough to have a valid list article. There is a list called List of fictional dogs in animated television that has Snoopy, Huckleberry Hound, Jake the Dog, Goofy, Max Goof, Muttley, Pluto (Disney) that have their own articles. Astro and Mr. Peanutbutter have enough content in their show's character articles to be included on a list like this. Clifford (character) article no longer exist, just redirects to a token mention of the character in the main article for that series. Still a notable enough dog to be on a list, so not everything listed should be required to have its own article. Dream Focus 16:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Athur, Kanniyakumari

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This page doesn't related to any topic Abin25836 (talk) 14:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This nom is a duplicate of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Athur, Kanniyakumari, dated 14:22, 24 September 2024

Because you vandalized it: Restore and keep this version Paradoctor (talk) 14:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Athur, Kanniyakumari

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This page doesn't related to any topic Abin25836 (talk) 14:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This nom is a duplicate of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Athur, Kanniyakumari (2nd nomination), dated 14:25, 24 September 2024 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradoctor (talk • contribs)

Slack City

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Someone tried to draftify this, but they were accused of page-move vandalism when they did so and were informed that sources could be found on Google. I tried Googling, and got a bunch of non-independent/unreliable (blog posts, press releases, etc.); of course, those sorts of sources don't actually prove notability. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 14:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. I looked hopefully for some RS, based on the edit summary that you mentioned, but only found passing mentions in a very few reliable sources. Wikishovel (talk) 15:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nepal Police women's volleyball team

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What little coverage there is in reliable sources is WP:ROUTINE. TarnishedPath^talk 13:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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May i know to concrete reason why this page is nominated for the deletion?. Nepal Police Club currently competing in Central Asian Club Volleyball Championship and many people are searching about the club. I think it's more than enough to have page for the club. NiseEdits (talk) 14:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A popular subject ("many people are searching about the club") doesn't establish notability - independent, reliable sources do. LR.127 (talk) 18:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Club-level volleyball in any nation (outside Argentina, Brazil, Europe or former Eastern Bloc nations) generally doesn't meet notability. Nate • (chatter) 23:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsure - reason being that I can't read local media from non-English sources and there are some in English which suggests that there may be more in other languages. Examples 1 and 2. I would like to see more good quality independent sources (particularly in other local languages) to be sure the GNG standard has been met. JMWt (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Emer

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1. It was moved from draft space to article space before it was reviewed and made live by the creator of the page

2. It was moved to draft space by other editors due to promotional tone, it seemed as it was written by someone closely connected to the subject

3. It was proposed for deletion and the final decision was to keep. However, the keep voters: 1 was a new account created just for this debate only (seems like it and it was an open IP, one was an editor banned for sock-puppetry)

4. There is someone constantly removing a section that is a bit negative about the subject

All this makes me believe that this page is being managed by someone closely connected to the subject. Additionally, i don't believe the subject is notable and most of the references are PRs and he is constantly self-promoting on the internet. WikiProCreate (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Appears to be a celebrity plastic surgeon [22], [23], [24]. I'm not sure any of these show notability. Discussion in AfD last time was also questioning the Academic notability, noting that 1000 citations was rather low for his field. I don't see that much has changed since the last AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: He's been investigated by a few regulatory bodies [25], which doesn't affect notability. This information has been added/removed, suggesting this page is being actively curated by editors, likely for promo purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Flagon and Trencher

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, only mentions and brief descriptions (for example, on ProQuest). toweli (talk) 14:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Found some pieces that document the activity of the organization. Take a look [26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33]. Piscili (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Michaeletos

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Has only appeared in one film. Samuel Wiki (talk) 09:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Duma (2005 film): Fails both NACTOR and GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 12:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Duma (2005 film) as the seems to be the only movie he starred. Piscili (talk) 15:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EDGE of Existence programme

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I noticed while editing the following article, that the two overlap significantly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDGE_species. I propose housing the EDGE methodology and the programme under one article. Oignonne (talk) 09:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge EDGE species to EDGE of Existence programme: Not enough material to warrant two articles, but neither fails GNG. Narrower topic should be merged into the broader topic. UtherSRG (talk) 10:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Robert Cawthome

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I propose this page for deletion because no Australian soldier named General Robert "Bill" Cawthome, seconded to Pakistan, ever existed. Several media outlets mistakenly refer to this nonexistent individual as the co-founder of the Inter-Services Intelligence, instead of Major General Sir Walter Joseph "Bill" Cawthorn, an Australian who served as the Deputy Chief of Staff of the Pakistan Army. While newint.org correctly identifies Cawthorn in this role, it incorrectly refers to him as "R. Cawthorne." Additionally, Dr. Hein G. Kiessling, who has extensive connections within Pakistan's political, military, and intelligence circles, authored Faith, Unity, Discipline: The ISI of Pakistan in 2016, which highlights Walter as the co-founder of the Inter-Services Intelligence. The Civil and Military Gazette of Lahore also supports this, confirming Walter's appointment as Deputy Chief of Staff. WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 13:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found another article originally by Peter Hohnen on Sir Walter Joseph Cawthorn (1896–1970), published in the Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 13, 1993. This further reinforces my argument that Robert "Bill" Cawthome never existed and is actually being confused with Walter Joseph "Bill" Cawthorn. WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 14:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: The same source by Hein Kiessling that the nom is ruining with their disruptive editing in this edit states: Established in the wake of the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947-48 by British officer Major General Robert Cawthorne, the then deputy chief of staff in the Pakistan Army. In addition, the book by S. K. Dutta states here: Generals of Pakistan and the ISI chiefs, retired and serving, have great admiration for the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). One of them described the ISI as the 'most dreaded organization of South Asia'. For Pakistanis, South Asia means India. This sadism dominates the character of this infamous institution, which was created by an Australian-born British Major General Robert Cawthome of the Pakistan Army in 1948. This was the parting gift of the British forces to the Pakistanis. He was so favoured by the Pakistani generals that he was subsequently posted as Australian High Commissioner to Pakistan, where he developed unique close relationships with Iskander Mirza and Gen. Ayub, who were responsible for the derailment of democracy in Pakistan from the very beginning of its creation. Additionally, Amit Bagaria states in his book here: ISI was structured to be operated by officers from the three main military services, and to specialize in the collection, analysis, and assessment of foreign military and non-military intelligence. It was the brainchild of former British Indian Army Major General, Sir Robert Cawthome, then Deputy Chief of Staff of the Pakistan Army, who selected Colonel Shahid Hamid to set up the agency. Truly a very premature nomination created on a whim. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where does Hein Kiessling ever mention a Robert Cawthorne? There is literally NO reference to a Robert Cawthorne anywhere in the book. You're blatantly ignoring all the evidence right in front of you and cherry-picking random sources to support your weak argument. Tell me, would an Indian author really have more insight into Pakistan's agency than Dr. Kiessling, a PhD who literally wrote an entire book on the subject and is renowned for his connections with the Pakistani military? WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 14:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Read pages 14–20 of the book by Hein Kiessling. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have read the book which is why I'm proposing the page for speedy deletion, page 14 literally says "Major General Walter Joseph Cawthorne"... WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check the publisher's note. Additionally, are you suggesting that we should dismiss all these sources by Indian authors solely because they are Indian? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No that's not what I'm saying, don't speak for me or put words in my mouth. I think you're trolling because there is no way you're reading Walter Joseph Cawthorne as Robert Cawthorne.. WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 14:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Former CIA official Bruce Riedel mentions Walter Joseph Cawthorne, Adjunct Professor Owen L. Sirrs of the University of Montana similarly mentions Walter here, and General Syed Shahid Hamid, Cawthorn's successor, literally mentions him HERE. It's okay to be wrong once in a while, not a big deal. WikiEnthusiast1001 (talk) 15:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Grammy RS Concerts

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Dollar to a donut all the thai sources are pr flimflam. TheLongTone (talk) 13:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Blue Diamond Garden Centres

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I cannot find sufficient reliable news coverage independent of the topic here, per WP:CORP Loewstisch (talk) 13:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shijiazhuang Donghua Jinlong

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lacks significant coverage from reliable sources, failing to meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Loewstisch (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Myron Rosander

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A cool person in the marching arts, but he sadly does not have any coverage save for a mention of death and an induction into a governing body's hall of fame. Why? I Ask (talk) 12:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IcCube

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Every source is self-published, excessive amount of detail guarantees undisclosed COI, can't find a single secondary source. BrigadierG (talk) 12:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Article saturated with primary sources. A before search brought nothing of note. This fails WP:GNG or WP:NSOFTWARE. Piscili (talk) 15:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Myself Allen Swapan

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Reviewed during New page Patrol. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Bangladeshi streaming-only series. Of the two references, one is a review and the other is a link to their own commercial. Article was deleted in 2023 due to creation by a banned user and recreated February 2024 by a new user . North8000 (talk) 11:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Galician exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 11:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maltese exonyms

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Indiscriminate largely unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 11:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Catalan exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 11:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bulgarian exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 10:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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La légende de Thierry Mauvignier

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None of the (non primary) sources here even mention the documentary, they're all on La Légende des seigneurs assassins (which this is a documentary about the making of??? why would someone make an article on the making of film and not the actual main film???). Even with that all the sources here are quite regional French sources under what is required from NFILM, so I have no clue if that other film is notable (could be, just judging off what's in the page). This was deleted on frwiki 3 years ago; I think this and several related articles (Thierry Mauvignier, Dylan Besseau, Guillaume Gevart) may have some promotional stuff going on here and on simple wikipedia but it is difficult to tell what exactly is happening here. There is this I found in a search which might be ok but it is the only thing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Melissa Carper

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No significant independent coverage, failure to meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for musicians. Also, the use of IMDb website tells us a lot. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Getting a song into one episode of a TV show was a nice break, but building an article around that one achievement violates WP:BLP1E. Otherwise she gets occasional softball interviews in specialist magazines (e.g. [34]) but she seems to be a local/regional musician with little reliable media coverage. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there is a lot more coverage out there, including one of her albums being named one of the best country albums of the year by Rolling Stone. Also added PopMatters and Houston Press references. There's more out there. I'll try to improve as I have time. Nnev66 (talk) 16:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep also found an AllMusic staff written bio here which together with the references from Rolling Stone, Pop Matters and others shows a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view Atlantic306 (talk) 20:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Los Angeles Organizing Committee for the 2028 Olympic and Paralympic Games

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Fails WP:NCORP, article is essentially just a list of people so nothing to merge. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Seems to be the standard style for OOC articles and the GNG is passed, and of course it's four years off so right now it's all planning and no actual events have occurred. Nate • (chatter) 23:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't even see GNG being met. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kyaw Myint

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This article probably describes a person who does not exist, and is a composite of several sources. Four sources are cited in the article, each referring to a different person.

Source 1 is an article about U Kyaw Win, the founder of Myanmar May Flower Bank. The article also mentions U Kyaw Myint, the owner of Golden Flower Co., Ltd, but this is not reflected in the Wikipedia article.
Source 2 introduces U Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry under the Ministry of Industry 1. He is not related to U Kyaw Win or U Kyaw Myint, the owner of Golden Flower Co., Ltd.
Sources 3 and 4 present "Pansay" Kyaw Myint, a Namkham militia leader and elected Member of Parliament. He is not related to any of the individuals described in sources 1 and 2. Nux-vomica 1007 (talk) 08:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have corrected the prose.—Alalch E. 15:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Klea pineda

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Recreation of salted title at Klea Pineda, which was deleted at this AfD back in 2015. Subject does not seem to be notable enough for a standalone article, and clearly fails WP:GNG. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kay-Anlog, Calamba

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Fails notability WP:GEOLAND, Barangays are not considered being notable. Please see here the similar deletion (which is converted the redirect), for more details. TentingZones1 (talk) 08:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. HueMan1 (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Calamba,_Laguna#Barangays per WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Some other deletion discussions mostly were kept. This article is in good shape and has a lot of information, hence keep. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: When becomes as a redirect, Calamba,_Laguna#Barangays. Makes it some knowledge about this barangay. Soft deletion if not redirected, resulting the article links were comes in various articles, which is problematic due of lack of sources. When the vote changed in keep, unless the reliable sources and information are available for this article. TentingZones1 (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of storms named Hugo

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PROD undone by author. WP:NLIST not met here. Did a search and could only find Hurricane Hugo as the main topic. Although it is a WP:SETINDEX, it is still required to meet the notability requirements of a WP:STANDALONE. Conyo14 (talk) 05:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as author. Harmless storm index article. It seems that the nominator isn't at all familiar with these types of pages (and I've created numerous SIA's). The name Hugo has been used in more than one basin, so the name perfectly qualifies for a storm index article; and there's a strong possibility that it gets re-used in the future since it has been included in the list of names for the 2024–25 European windstorm season. No valid reasons for deletion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep SIAs don't have to be a notable topic themselves but may be a list of topics that are notable on their own.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 14:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:ONEOTHER - the 1989 hurricane is very obviously the primary topic. Hatnotes linking the two pages should do the job. Java Hurricane 18:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'm aware of WP:SETNOTDAB, and it doesn't change my view: where a SIA consists of only two entities, where one is clearly the primary topic (and in this case, the other entity, the 2018 windstorm, doesn't even have its own article), hatnotes are a more efficient method of handling the situation than a full-fledged list. And as for Yoris's argument, WP:CRYSTAL applies - future systems sharing the name can be handled at the time they actually happen.

On a side note, I'm interested in knowing why a SIA about systems of the same name is not, in practice, a disambiguation page. Java Hurricane 19:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support hatnotes if it weren't common practice to create a storm index with only two entries. See Category:Set index articles on storms, which is filled with lists containing only two entries (e.g. List of storms named Andrew, List of storms named Beta, List of storms named Evelyn, etc.), so for consistency's sake this one should be kept as well. And I hate making a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, but I just couldn't avoid it. Also, I don't think the winter storm is relevant enough for mentioning at the Hurricane Hugo article (not even as a hatnote), since hurricanes and winter storms are completely different weather systems, and it would be odd for someone to confuse them both. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the latter point there also exist counterexamples - such as 1935 Labor Day hurricane's hatnote. Don't think it is even that odd to confuse tropical and non-tropical cyclones - the term "storm" can be quite ambiguous for an uninitiated reader. On the former point, I repeat my previous question. Java Hurricane 12:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that's likely because the 1935 hurricane is unnamed (i.e. has no official name), and was named "Labor Day" because it made landfall on that exact date. However, I see no counterexamples for storms that have official names, at least none that I could find. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per javahurrincae Kingsmasher678 (talk) 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Cyclone Yoris and Noah - don’t see any valid reasons for deletion. Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as there are three topics in the SIA. Tavantius (talk) 03:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maika Ceres

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Article is written from unreliable, non-independent, or self-published sources like blogs, social media, press releases, etc. Not clear the subject passes WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 15:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Blagica Pop Tomova

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Article is based entirely on the website of the subject's employer. Not clear that the topic passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yasheel Aukhojee

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Appears to be largely promo for the business. Sources are interviews or profiles of the company. He's a doctor that does at-home visits, which is rather routine. I find nothing in news or other searches that would help us prove notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Elena Pankratova

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Article is largely built from the website's of the subjects employers and therefore they lack independence. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 14:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Irina Mataeva

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Article is written like a resume and based on sources connected to the subject. Not clear the article passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 14:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Arcline Investment Management

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Fails WP:NCORP. Refs are routine business news. scope_creep^Talk 12:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I created the article after learning of the Omega Engineering incident, which was a notable computer sabotage attack in American history. Arcline has been acquiring companies, like Omega Engineering, and I simply wanted to create the article for the parent company. Note: At least 3 companies have Wikipedia articles that link to the parent company, Arcline. These companies also have subsidiaries which could make use of the Arcline article as a focal point. More can be added to the article but, nevertheless, I leave it in your competent hands. Usedbook (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andy Dennehy

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Non-notable amateur sports person. In terms of WP:SPORTBASIC, the only coverage I can find is the stuff that I've added to the article. Most of which is not independent (like "listings" on personnel sheets of orgs with which the subject has a connection like these: [35][36][37]; Which, even if they were independent, are far from in-depth coverage). Or ROTM "match report" type passing mentions (like these: [38] [39]). In terms of WP:GNG, we barely have enough sources to establish even the sub-stub that we have. And certainly insufficient sources to expand any biographical information (DOB, place of birth, education, etc). A search in Irish news sources returns little to nothing. In the Irish Independent family of regional/national papers for example, all I can find are these two trivial passing mentions. Similar searches, in news sources like the Irish Examiner or Irish Times or RTE.ie, return nothing at all. Nothing. Not even trivial passing mentions. Notability is not established. Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC) Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I know nothing about how significant American football is in Ireland. That said, being one of the initial inductees into the Hall of Fame for American football in Ireland suggests he was at a minimum a pretty big frog in a little pond. Cbl62 (talk) 20:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ramsey Faragher

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No evidence of notability besides a few academic sources, doesn't appear to meet WP:ACADEMIC or WP:GNG - *maybe* you can argue that the company is relevant? But he as a person doesn't seem to be Toffeenix (talk) 09:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. This is one of those odd instances where Wikidata and the article history include what look like several claims to notability that are completely unmentioned in our present article. He is a Fellow of the Royal Institute of Navigation and the 2023 recipient of their Harold Spencer-Jones Gold Medal for an outstanding contribution to navigation [40]. He is also the 2023 recipient of the Dennis Gabor Medal and Prize [41]. They are all personal honors rather than indirect through his company. That looks arguably like a pass of WP:PROF#C3 and a double pass of #C2, if we agree that those are national-level awards for scholarly contributions and a highest-level honorary membership in a major scholarly society. Are they? He also has what looks like a strong citation record [42] in a field whose citation patterns are unfamiliar to me, arguably enough for #C1. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Symbhav

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Fails the WP:NEVENTS, a particular annual event of a law college Pinakpani (talk) 09:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. 4 sources and all are poor. Source 1 has no coverage or even passing mention about the subject. Source 2 is deadlink. Source 3 has entry and Source 4 is a deadlink. No sources on the page with significant coverage to pass notability and this page also seems like promotion of an event held by law school students in Pune India. WP:PROMO. RangersRus (talk) 14:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

C. K. Durga

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Promotion with "sources" like X or Facebook; I doubt the page meets GNG and BIO requirements. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question: Is winning an Nari Shakti Puraskar award enough for WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC? I don't see any WP:SIGCOV for this subject but she appears to have a significant academic track record, for which she won the aforementioned award.

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S. J. Dahlstrom

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Not notable writer, doesn't pass WP ANYbio and other guidelines. J. P. Fridrich (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I created the article because I believe the subject passes WP:NAUTHOR due to the awards. Also worth saying is that the nominator of this discussion only had 11 edits before nominating this article, all of them made on a single day in 2022. Badbluebus (talk) 16:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sherman Dam

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I failed to find SIGCOV for the Sherman Dam besides this one newspaper article from 1963. Otherwise, all mentions appear to be trivial in nature, indicating it fails GNG and WP:NBUILD. Perhaps others will have more luck. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Like many dam articles including some at List of dams and reservoirs in Nebraska, the article also covers its reservoir, and the full entity is certainly notable as both infrastructure and a recreation site. Sources include [43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53] Reywas92^Talk 13:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like you are just randomly posting anything with the name appearing in it. If that were enough, almost everything would have a Wiki article. We are talking about reliable and significant coverage from secondary sources, not literally any Google hit. I can't really check the newspaper ones to see if those are major though. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hana Jonášová

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2012. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 05:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete does not seem to pass the notability criteria. AntEgo (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to her mother Jana Jonášová per WP:NOTINHERITED if sources can't be found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flash Element TD

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Fails to meet WP:GNG. The largest review I found is still relatively tiny. There is simply insufficient SIGCOV to justify an article at all, with the previous AfD citing mere announcements. What was good enough for 2011 is no longer good enough for 2024. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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LONGi

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Duplicate of LONGi Green Energy Technology Amigao (talk) 03:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect: Two article instances which have developed in parallel over the years. There is additional information in this one which can be merged, and then a redirect can simplify while maintaining the history attribution. AllyD (talk) 13:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added Merge from/to tags to the two articles, so that the proposal is visible to readers of both articles. AllyD (talk) 14:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A merge seems both technically simple and unlikely to be controversial, though if I had to pick a title I'd actually do LONGi Green Energy Technology into LONGi, since the latter title seems sufficient to uniquely identify the subject. Would anyone object to doing this reverse merge, so that LONGi is the final title, and additionally doing so immediately and closing this discussion? Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A reverse merge, as you propose, seems like a good course of action. - Amigao (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U-12 European Baseball Championship

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Just a results listing with only sources being primary. Fails GNG and WP:SPORTSEVENT. LibStar (talk) 03:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, complete trivia. Geschichte (talk) 14:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG . --181.197.42.150 (talk) 15:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pobé Mengao attack

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WP:News article, I'm unable to find WP:SUSTAINED coverage Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to either the place it occurred Pobe-Mengao Department in a history section or Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso#2019. The place is a better target imo but a mention should be added to the other PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz I prefer Pobe-Mengao Department as a merge target. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hadiseh Jamal

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Fails notability, her achievements (even if they are correct) are in youth level. she never won anything in a major event. the article tries to sell her as a world and Asian senior medalist. Sports2021 (talk) 03:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Parsa Mohammadi

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Fails notability, never even participated in a major event let alone winning something. he never won that medal mentioned in the article. Sports2021 (talk) 03:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2028 Northern Territory general election

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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Article only has one source, and it does not say anything about the election in 2028. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Thought about a redirect but I really couldn't find a suitable target. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
redirect to Northern Territory Legislative Assembly maybe? otherwise yeah delete Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 22:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Next Northern Territory general election. No point in deleting the page when it will only need to be remade again. Viatori (talk) 08:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Deleting an article does not prevent it from being recreated when more sources emerge. Having to be remade again is a given and is not a reason against deletion. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Next Northern Territory general election or keep, for the same reasons as Viatori. --SHB2000 (talk) 00:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Neutral on keeping the article, but just wanted to say that the suggestions of moving it to Next Northern Territory general election are misplaced. "Next" is used in election article titles when the date of the next election is uncertain. However, Northern Territory has fixed-term parliaments and the next election must take place in 2028, so the current title is correct. Number 57 01:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- 'Keep since the previous election cycle is over and there is now verifiable information about the next. In terms of naming, the 2008 Northern Territory general election indicates that elections can be called early? Has something changed on a constitutional level? -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete TOOSOON and page recreation in 2027 when it's appropriate is not that hard. Nate • (chatter) 16:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isabelle Poulenard

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2019. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 04:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Donald MacMillan (rugby union)

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No sources, and seems to have no real notability. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 02:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Known as "Ian" rather than Donald, which may assist your searches. Plenty of coverage on Trove and I've added some of them to the page. Got more results for the typo "Mc"Millan.[54] Jevansen (talk) 23:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you. Was not aware of this. Jevansen (talk) Jevansen (talk) 07:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alireza Hashemzadeh

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Fails notability, most probably everything in this article is fake. he never won a gold medal at the Asian Games or 2019 Asian Senior Championships! he never participated in any major event. Sports2021 (talk) 02:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amir Arsalan Heidarzad

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Fails notability, never did anything important in his career. completely unknown. Sports2021 (talk) 02:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Benares brass

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"Benares brass" isn't a thing; it's just brass items made/sold in Varanasi. Just like there isn't a page for "Benares trinkets", there doesn't need to be one for Benares brass. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Contested PROD (I opposed it).

I would agree that 'Benares brass' isn't a thing. At least, not in the metallurgical sense, as a particular brass alloy. I may be wrong - place-specific alloys do sometimes turn up, owing to oddities of local material supply.

But I'm not convinced that 'brass and brasswork of Benares' isn't a thing, just based on the sources already attached to the article. Is brass manufacture a significant and distinctive industry specific to Benares? Now that's certainly a thing, and there are many such locations where particular forms of metalworking are both distinct (the place is significant to the craft of brassworking) and locally economically important (brass working is significant to the place). On my own doorstep, an article on 17th to 19th century brassworking around Bristol and the Avon valley would be very welcome. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Varanasi: Borderline notable at best, and would be much more suitable as part of the city's article per WP:NOPAGE, similar to how Moradabad does not have a separate page for its highly recognized brass industry. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EyeCarePro

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I'm not seeing much evidence of WP:CORPDEPTH KH-1 (talk) 03:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: It's been a while since I've looked at this topic. All things considered, before I research the topic any further, perhaps changing it to a stub article would be a better move than deletion. I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 06:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Basem Al-Shayeb

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I believe that the above article is a blatant example of self-promotion, and does not meet Wikipedia's notability requirements for articles about people. The article heavily references the accolades and accomplishments of this person, seemingly for no other reason than to make them sound impressive, but their listed accomplishments and scientific contributions, though interesting on their own merits, are frankly not very noteworthy against the backdrop of the molecular biology field. They obtained a PhD from UC Berkeley, got their dissertation work published in some high-profile journals, and co-founded a startup- so what? This is not a singular accomplishment; this person did not discover anything that significantly advanced the field, and to the extent that they did, they did not do so alone. There are many other individuals like them out there for which we do not - and should not - have articles.

Furthermore, the article shows every sign of having been written by either the subject themself or someone close to them, with the intent of misrepresenting their accomplishments for self-aggrandizing purposes; to wit:

1. The article as originally written named the subject as the founder of the listed company; they were a co-founder.

2. The article as originally written stated that the subject "led the discovery of" the various listed topics; they were co-first author on two of the papers and a first author on one, and moreover all of this work was evidently done during their PhD, meaning that their graduate advisor technically "led" the work in question.

3. Following my attempts to correct these misstatements, at least two single-purpose accounts were created which proceeded to revert these changes and call into question my motives in editing. I have little doubt one or both of these accounts belongs to the subject of the article.

I am aware that my actions here may be interpreted as implying some ulterior motive, but I assure you I have none: I simply do not look favorably upon people who abuse Wikipedia for self-aggrandizement and self-promotion, especially (as in this case) while being verifiably dishonest, and I am acting accordingly. Xardwen (talk) 00:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I respectfully disagree. Wiki analytics indicate that the page has been visited 7130 times, with 13 average visits per day this year. There is significant coverage in reliable third-party sources that are independent of the subject. This suggests some noteworthiness, even if you personally think it undeserved. A quick search also yields further attributions that are not present in the article, including references in two 2024 books: Superconvergence How the Genetics, Biotech, and AI Revolutions Will Transform Our Lives, Work, and World By Jamie Metzl, and The Nobel Prizes 2020 By Karl Grandin.

It appears that the original edits that you mentioned, Xardwen, had deleted relevant news sources. They also included unsourced information, a copyrighted photo and a LinkedIn profile which are all against WP and the edits were addressed by seasoned wikipedians accordingly. It is inappropriate to insert unsourced personal opinions or skepticisms into an article. Your statements also seem to repeatedly violate both WP:AFG Assume Good Faith and WP:PA No Personal Attacks principles with potentially libelous phrases against a public figure?

Considering your edit warring and your statement of being in the same field and in the same city as the subject, can you explain what precisely is your role or personal and financial relation to the subject for COI purposes? You mentioned strong opinions on biographies, but you have not edited any other biography apart this one. In fact, aside pages on erectile dysfunction, this is the top page you have edited. I have no tie to this topic but I hold strongly that Wikipedia is an open-source encyclopedia, not a weapon to undermine persons, nor to push a particular view or to serve a personal vendetta. Pantrail (talk) 23:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your semantic first author comment, you are enforcing a biased personal opinion in contradiction with referenced sources, which state a leading role. A first author in biological sciences is typically the person who led the work on a day-to-day basis and is considered to have made the most substantial contributions to the overall research. In cases of co-first authorship, all co-first authors are considered to have "led" the work. Your edit was inaccurate because you removed this detail in your stated effort to undermine the subject Pantrail (talk) 00:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to preface the following by saying again that I would very much like a senior editor to weigh in on this matter; I believe an experienced and impartial voice is sorely needed here. That being said:

The Wikipedia guidelines on notability state the basic criteria as follows: people are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

The secondary sources cited in the article are as follows: The Independent, GEN - Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology News, Chemical Engineering News, CRISPR Medicine, Forbes, Arab America, ScienceAlert, IFLScience, SYFY Official Site, TechCrunch, Berkeley News, The Daily Californian, and the Innovative Genomics Institute website (apologies if I have missed any sources). Of these, I would say that only the first four qualify as reliable and intellectually independent of one another and the subject; the subject was listed in Forbes and Arab America's "30 under 30" lists and thus calling these sources "independent" is questionable, and the last three listed sources are affiliated with the institution where the subject did their doctoral research. ScienceAlert is described as controversial and sensationalistic in its Wikipedia article; IFLScience is described as similarly unreliable in the article on its founder; TechCrunch seems fairly reliable based on this analysis by Ad Fontes Media; SYFY is an entertainment company and should not be regarded as reliable when it comes to science reporting, though the subject's mention by them does speak to the extent of their publicity. Indeed, if their work had not been (rather sensationalistically, in some cases) reported by multiple media outlets, and were I not also a researcher in the subject's field, then I would never have heard of them to begin with. I assure you that were I to learn of another researcher in my field with a Wikipedia page that I felt was unwarranted, I would respond exactly as I have here; this was simply the first such example I have come across.

I would like to briefly interject here that I have never stated that I live in the same city as the subject. I am not sure how this misconception arose. I also do not believe that I am obligated to reveal any information about myself beyond what I already have, and I will decline to do so if asked. I have said previously that I have no personal or financial relation to the subject, and that is all I have to say on the matter.

Regarding my other interests as indicated by my edit history, I do not see how this is relevant, but I appreciate you taking the time to look through my prior contributions - I hope that you found them interesting and informative. I cannot help but notice, however, that you have engaged with exactly no articles aside from the one under discussion, and that your account did not exist prior to last month. The same is true for Xerxescience, who has behaved in a more-or-less identical manner. I find this to be extremely suspect.

Regarding your statements about co-first authorship: yes, it is true that co-first authors on a scientific publication are both regarded as having "led" the work described, but regardless, I think it is unfair and misleading not to explicitly give both individuals equal credit in an article that describes their work. Likewise regarding being a co-founder of a company- yes, a co-founder is obviously considered a founder, but listing them simply as "founder" gives an inaccurate impression of their role in the company's history- and, not incidentally, makes the referenced individual sound more impressive, which seems to be a throughline of almost every aspect of this article as it was initially written.

To the extent that my actions have violated Wikipedia's rules: granted, and I aim to do better to avoid running afoul of them in future. I believe that my criticisms and concerns are valid even if I have crossed some lines, or had a bit too much fun at Mr. Al-Shayeb's expense. As I've said above, I would much prefer if someone else was doing this work instead of me- and yet here we are. Xardwen (talk) 00:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to weigh in as an independent observer, as the flag to remove this article caught my eye. I think this article inflates the significance of its subject. There are thousands of people who recently graduated with PhDs from top universities with papers in top journals each year, yet most of these people do not have Wikipedia articles written about themselves. The wording of the first paragraph reads as an advertisement for Amber Bio. The second included information about the individual being a peer reviewer, which is a non-noteworthy duty that nearly every academic scientist fulfills.The studies called out in the third paragraph were made possible only through the hard work of a large team of fellow students, postdocs, and even Prof. Banfield herself. Given the other co-authors' (including Prof. Banfield's) documented roles in the work, I think the term "led" to describe this individual's involvement is disingenuous. Additionally, there are 600 people located in North America who are added to the Forbes "30 Under 30" list annually (30 people across 20 industries); I think Wikipedia call-outs of achievements should be saved for actually meaningful and highly selective awards. I respectfully disagree that the subject of this article represents a "public figure."

I call on Wikipedia leadership to investigate whether the multiple accounts that created and have been editing this article in a disingenuous/advertising way represent "sock puppets" of the same person. If proven to trace back to the same person, then every indicted account should be banned for violating Wikipedia's policies. I think it is in the best interest of the Wikipedia community to stop self promotion and industrial advertisement on its platform. Hemelina (talk) 07:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has become quite ridiculous. The content of the page cannot be based on subjective opinion of a user, or terminology they think should be used, but rather the information in the sources. Xardwen has now added the same unsourced information and libelous material multiple times, and subjective synthesis of information. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid, and not your blog. Sources cannot be removed based on your subjective opinion of whether information is important, or how "scientific" a source is, or your biased opinion on noteworthiness of the subject's work. And I say it is biased because Xardwen has already engaged in forum shopping and has accused me of COI, and was thusly already resolved by administrators for being baseless. Meanwhile, he states he in the subject's "field" and the address associated with his account links to the San Francisco metropolitan area, in particular Berkeley. It is abundantly clear that he is somehow linked to the subject and has been obsessively editing the page to harass and malign them, which he has expressed himself "with savage delight". Hemelina is also a brand new account that is likely Xardwen's sockpuppet to further target this page, having just been created to install the same baseless claims and remove information. Xerxescience (talk) 04:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, well. Whoopsies. Regardless, I have no personal or financial connection to the subject, though I don't expect anyone to believe me. I have no idea who User:Hemelina is, either. I have opened a "Request for Comment" on the article's Talk page; I hope that this matter will shortly be moved into the hands of more experienced editors.Xardwen (talk) 04:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Xardwen you have yet again inserted original synthesis of your own subjective opinions into the page, replacing the language that was presented in the source articles, and violating Wikipedia:No original research after multiple warnings. I will also note the interesting presentation of the same typos as User:Hemelina. Xerxescience (talk) 04:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting this discussion. I'm not sure how to say this politely, but Wikipedia doesn't care about your personal opinion of an article subject and whether or not you believe they "deserve" an article on this project. None of your opinions are based in Wikipedia policy which, along with consensus, is how AFD discussions are closed. In this case, the standards for notability is WP:NACADEMIC and comments should be made in reference to whether or not this subject can be considered notable by this standard or, less likely, WP:GNG. Notability isn't determined based on editors' opinion, much less accusations against your fellow editors, but based on reliable, independent, secondary sources that provide SIGCOV. Some analysis of sources was done here and I thank you for that start. Those who disagree with the nominator's proposal would spend their time more productively by addressing their evaluation of sources or by finding better ones. It is also clear that none of you have participated in an AFD discussion because it helps the closer if you, except for the nominator, cast a bolded "vote" like Keep or Delete or Redirect. Assessing consensus isn't a vote count but some times when editors post long comments, like in this AFD, a bolded vote makes it obvious what outcome you want to happen. Here's hoping we get some participation from AFD regulars who could also offer a source assessment. Thank you.
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Keep - The article text demonstrates that the subject's research has had a significant impact in his scholarly discipline and beyond.

Referenced articles state Al-Shayeb's role in having "led" / "helmed" (100+ year old magazine by the American Chemical Society) multiple major publications that have each received significant coverage, and cited by multiple reputable perspective pieces as having major impact or "shift our understanding" of how we think about viruses and other elements https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02975-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-020-0341-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00574-z These discoveries are influential in the fields of microbiology and gene editing, as independently outlined by multiple different editors in the 2021 in science and 2022 in science pages, which highlighted major discoveries of the year. Several of these discoveries also have their own separate Wiki pages. Considering the Wiki reference search shows 3,090 results, and over 100 different news articles, I addressed only some concerns mentioned.
As referred to above by @Pantrail, Al-shayeb's work on new CRISPR tools is discussed as the cutting edge of genetic engineering technology in the 2020 Nobel Prize lecture with Al-Shayeb credited by name, and in the 2024 book Superconvergence How the Genetics, Biotech, and AI Revolutions Will Transform Our Lives, Work, and World By Jamie Metzl. To say "this person did not discover anything that significantly advanced the field, and to the extent that they did, they did not do so alone" is a fallacious and subjective view of science. By that standard, nobody qualifies since nobody does science alone. The article and sources state that he led the work, not that he or any scientist did it alone.
Prestigious journals like the Nature Portfolio are known for their rigorous standards, only accepting "ground-breaking" research. These journals presumably similarly carefully select reviewers who are leading experts, and reviewing for said journals is a testament to the subject's significant authority and extensive record of impactful research in their discipline.

The person has also had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.

The published work is in development by major companies demonstrating real-world impact beyond academia. The work on RNA-guided therapies highlights how the research has translated directly into medical innovation by multiple pharmaceutical companies. Recognition from mainstream sources like Forbes Magazine (from which there are at least 5 different articles on subject) and other outlets also indicates broad public and professional acknowledgment of his influence beyond the academic realm. This shows substantial impact in both the academic sphere and the wider industry. The nominator claimed Al-Shayeb has affiliation with the editorial board of Forbes Magazine or the Daily Californian multiple times now and suggested that it diminishes their credibility, but provided no evidence, or that this presumed affiliation led to the coverage. He also conveniently dismissed the outlets or sources curated by industry experts such as GEN, c&en, CRISPR Medicine, Nature Magazine News, Science Magazine News, Futurism (credibility), LiveScience (rated GREEN for its credibility and trustworthiness by NewsGuard) or the work in TechCrunch, The Independent that corroborate the same reporting that the nominator claimed to be "non-credible or sensationalistic"

Xerxescience (talk) 07:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the nominator, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to "vote" or not, but I didn't see anything on the AfD guidelines page prohibiting me from doing so, thus:

Delete -

Wikipedia's criteria for notability regarding articles about academics are listed as follows:

The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.

First of all, "significant impact" seems highly subjective, but that aside: what counts as a "significant impact" here, and does this person's research qualify? They were first author on a paper describing unusual archaeal extrachromosomal DNA elements; this is interesting, but speaking as a fellow microbiologist, it does not strike me as a very impactful discovery, but more of a niche curiosity. Another listed publication (I thought they were listed as co-first author, but I seem to have been mistaken? Need to double-check) describes some very small virus-derived CRISPR-associated genome-editing proteins; again, this is interesting, but did this really leave a lasting impression on the field? The CRISPR field seems to move quite fast, and my understanding is that other, smaller gene-editing proteins (e.g. TnpB) have been discovered since; moreover it's not clear to me that the proteins discovered by Al-Shayeb et al. were that transformative in terms of their applications, although this may just be my ignorance showing. Finally, the third paper listed (on which Al-Shayeb was co-first author) describes some of the largest known phages at the time; again, interesting, but is this really an impactful find? Was this a major addition to our understanding of microbiology, or is it just a neat addition to the list of already known large phages?

The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.

Has this person received a highly prestigious academic award at a national or international level? According to the article, they were nominated for the NSF Graduate Research Fellowship; the NSF website states that they plan to issue 2,300 GRFs this fiscal year. Does this qualify as a "prestigious award at a national level"? "Prestigious" is obviously subjective, but I was under the impression that this referred to something closer to the level of, say, the Pulitzer Prize for journalism, of which twenty-four are issued each year. As for their other listed accolades, being on the Forbes/Arab America 30 Under 30 lists does not constitute an academic award, and thus does not apply here.

The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers or Honorary Fellow of the Institute of Physics).

I do not believe any of these apply here.

The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.

I do not believe this applies here.

The person has held a distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, a named chair appointment that indicates a comparable level of achievement, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.

Does not apply here.

The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.

Does not apply here.

The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.

I do not believe this applies here.

The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area.

Does not apply here.

It seems like the only argument for keeping this article is that their research is "significantly impactful"; as I've said above, I believe this assessment to be highly subjective, but I personally do not feel that their contributions meet this threshold. At best, these seem like contributions that should be mentioned in the articles for Archaea, CRISPR-Cas genome editing, and Bacteriophages (as they already are); were any of these discoveries so ground-breaking that their (in some cases, co-) discoverer merits their own page?Xardwen (talk) 08:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because the research is not "significantly impactful" by Wikipedia's criteria. The individual behind the now-deleted accounts @Xerxescience and @Pantrail worded the content of the article to sound more impactful than it actually is. For example, why is it that Mr. Al-Shayeb "led" the work (as written in the Wikipedia article in question) that he co-first-authored with others while being supervised by his graduate school advisors, yet Mr. Al-Shayeb "supervised" the work (again, as the now-banned accounts wrote in the Wikipedia article in question) that was first-authored by another individual? For example, Mr. Al-Shayeb's co-founder and CEO, Dr. Jacob Borrajo, is first author on the most recent manuscript mentioned in the Wikipedia article in question and is also continuing to move the work forward as a current executive of Amber Bio (apparently without Mr. Al-Shayeb's "supervision"). In this example, it is clear to anyone in the field that Dr. Borrajo made the most substantial contributions to this work that is one of the Mr. Al-Shayeb's key accomplishments, yet Dr. Borrajo does not have a Wikipedia page. The same could be said for some of the other co-first authors and supervisors on the studies listed on Mr. Al-Shayeb's Wikipedia page.

If one were to argue that Mr. Al-Shayeb somehow meets the WP:NACADEMIC standards, then all 2000-3000 people issued an NSF Graduate Research Fellowship each year should have a Wikipedia page. Forbes 30 under 30 is not an academic award and uses irrelevant metrics such as how much wealth someone has as key criteria for selection, but if it were, then do we give all 600 people recognized with the Forbes 30 under 30 award each a Wikipedia page? And the tens of thousands of people who graduate with PhDs from prestigious universities and contribute work to renowned scientific journals; do we give all of them a Wikipedia page? No, because the line must be drawn somewhere. In this case, Mr. Al-Shayeb clearly falls on the side of the line that does not warrant this page to exist. Hemelina (talk) 23:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: To the closer: Please treat the now-blocked accounts Pantrail and Xerxescience as being the same person for the purpose of determining a consensus. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete.~~

I think this article should be deleted because the subject clearly does not meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. The subject is not listed on any academic institution's website as being currently affiliated. There is no publicly available evidence that the subject has ever held an independent position at any academic institution that wasn't under the direct supervision of other faculty members. The subject is presented on the article as a "biotech executive", yet the subject is not currently listed as an executive on any current company's website. Disturbingly, two now-blocked accounts who turned out to be the same person, @Pantrail and @Xerxescience, repeatedly deleted verifiably true and well-cited edits made by multiple independent contributors. I will remind the individual behind these accounts that information cannot be libelous or defamatory if it is true. The individual behind these accounts, who I deduce is either the subject of this article or financially tied to the subject of this article, also reverted the article to present misleading information that promoted the financial interests of the article's subject. Wikipedia is not the place to advance individual financial interests. Please delete. Hemelina (talk) 22:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hemelina, first, you can only cast one bolded "vote" so I have struck your duplicate vote. Secondly, you have only been editing a week and have made a total of 12 edits, most of them to this article and AFD. You have no other global contributions with this account so I'm assuming you typically edit with a different account since you seem to have the Wikipedia jargon down pat. So, at least for me, your opinion carries less weight. I'd still like to hear from some "uninvolved" editors as all participants seem to have some sort of COI with this subject. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We really need some uninvolved and non-sock editors to review this article and its sources.
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Delete

Note, this guy is a predoc fellow as per Google Scholar, which by definition means WP:NACADEMIC almost certainly does not apply. His H-Index is extremely high for a pre-doc, as per google scholar. [55], so maybe WP:NACADEMIC could apply in the future, but it is nowhere near high enough to apply right now.
Much of the sourcing is not independent or reliable or only mentions the subject in passing. Much of the sourcing that talks about his start up seems like promotional PR that goes along with any business.
The current writing on the article is strained and tortuous. At one point, there is a mention that Shayeb’s work is cited by a Nobel Laureate? I’d half-argue for WP:TNT even if the subject was notable enough.

Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also… what the heck happened that editors have a personal vendetta against a pre-doc scientist? Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomasz Krezymon

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Non-notable musician and professor fails WP:NACADEMIC and WP:MUSICIAN. This article is one of a series of promotional articles (a walled garden of sorts) surrounding the so-called Empathism "movement" and the poet Menotti Lerro (who "invented" Empathism and wrote it's manifesto), and the "award" given to the people who adhere to Empathism. Other articles of questionable notability are the other "members" as well as Lerro's Cilento International Poetry Prize and others. Two SPA's are creating numerous articles that all connect back to Lerro (hence the "walled garden"), whose article on Italian Wikipedia has been deleted for lack of notability. The whole group of articles are WP:PROMO. Netherzone (talk) 01:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not all musicians are notable, no indication he meets NBIO and such. Not notable as written

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Black Fragility

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This article covers a definition of a term used by one person, it does not appear to be a broader subject of academic discussion. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This term doesn't appear exclusive to Loury. McWhorter uses it (here, here), and Steele uses it in a very different context. Regardless, I'm not finding coverage of the concept itself, to the extent it exists, or evidence that it's a unified concept among the scholars who have deployed it. I also don't see an appropriate redirect to White fragility since the article does not currently use the term in discussing McWhorter's criticism of DiAngelo. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previous WP:PROD candidate, ineligible for soft deletion.
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Keep. The term has been the subject of academic papers 1 2, at least one book written by a social scientist 3, and some articles like this one 4. Cortador (talk) 06:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of Cortador's sources, the first two papers (by Steele) are actually the same paper published in two different venues (one a journal, one a book chapter, still the same article). Apart from the headline, the term "black fragility" does not appear once in the paper's text. The book written by Carter, the "social scientist," is self-published. (The author appears to be a corporate trainer/consultant.) The article by Gobodo-Madikizela has a single reference in it to "black fragility": "What concerns me is the trap of black fragility, when the reaction to the behaviour of racists is interpreted as if the particular racist actually is in a position of power in relation to the person who is the target of the racist slur." Thus, Steele and Gobodo-Madizkizela do not constitute WP:SIGCOV and Carter's work is not a reliable source under WP:SPS. Thus, none of these sources contribute to a WP:GNG pass for this concept. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per Cortador. KatoKungLee (talk) 00:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete - Not even close. First of all, the article is a wild failure of WP:NFCC, comprising mostly a three-paragraph quote (!). This is not the Manhattan Institute website, so we should not be hosting entire articles based nothing on that think tank's publication. Even if there were all the sources in the world about this subject, it's still a complete WP:TNT case. But it's also not notable, as far as I can tell. As per Dclemens1971's analysis above, we have exactly one independent reliable source. The question is where to redirect it. I'd recommend redirecting to White Fragility and adding a line there about some critics using "black fragility" (which would, of course, mean omitting most of the sourcing identified in favor of those which explicitly talk about DiAngelo). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 18:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relisting. With the source review, I'm not convinced this is a Keep but we do need consensus on the outcome and whether or not a Redirect is appropriate.
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Brazil women's national under-18 softball team

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Subject lacks the needed coverage from reliable secondary sources to meet the WP:NORG/WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 01:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – There is no Brazil women's under-18 team, only under-20 and under-17. Svartner (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. This article has been to AFD before as part of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore women's junior national softball team so Soft Deletion is not an option.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JEDA Technologies

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Non-notable company, doesn't satisfy WP:GNG. Tule-hog (talk) 01:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Doesn't satisfy WP:NCORP. Although I found lots of coverage, all of it is in WP:TRADES publications. Practically all of the coverage is routine product announcements. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dale Wood (William Lawrence Hansen)

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There are no secondary sources that provide information about this person; the entire article is based on primary sources and the article itself admits that little is known outside of government copyright documentation. As a result of the lack of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, the subject of the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As Bill Hansen, he is in the credits as an editor for a variety of television programs and related media that may become Wikipedia articles in the future. Most of all, he has composed music with a variety of notable composers. The other references can likely be found, as requested in the first banner. Starlighsky

Future notability is not a consideration at AfD. And his notability cannot be WP:INHERITED from other composers he may have worked with, or from projects he may have worked on that may (or more likely may not) be notable. What we need is reliable, secondary sources. Can you provide those?? Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will do my best to find those. Starlighsky (talk) 03:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is an abundance of information on ASCAP of his music as well as who performed his music. However, it is challenging to understand.

ACE Repertory (ascap.com) Starlighsky (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ASCAP is a primary source. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. In 2024, everyone knows that we don’t have biographies on every single person who ever lived and worked in the movies or on TV. We are not, nor ever been, a directory of everyone in “The Business” like ASCAP or IMDB. I hope everyone understands why we strive to be more reliable. This page has to be deleted because there’s not enough information about the person, other than a bare minimum of what he edited. According to our policy: “Biography articles should only be created for people with some sort of verifiable notability. A good measure of notability is whether someone has been featured in multiple, independent, reliable sources.” Sorry. Bearian (talk) 10:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do want to add that it is the biography of an editor who went by a pseudonym to write music with notable songwriters. Starlighsky (talk) 23:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The more I research this, the more it seems like the television and film projects could be valuable resources for the Wikipedia community:

As William Lawrence Hansen:

Al Jolson's Old-Time Minstrel Show 1952

William Lawrence Hansen

(Compilation: songs and text)

BMI Television Sketchbook Sketches (1951)

William Lawrence Hansen

& Henry M. Katzberg

19 Celebrated Baritone Solos (1950)

William Lawrence Hansen

(Compilation)

Songs from the film Bambi (1951)

Edited by Bill Hansen Starlighsky (talk) 02:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We need reliable sources to verify notability, not editors' opinions that a subject is important. You have a few more days to find those sources.
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Yang Song-guk

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I saw the film The Game of Their Lives and it has sigcov on him. I kept a notebook with the content discussing him that I'll have to find. I believe one scene had a player saying something like 'here's [North Korean] newspaper headlines I kept on all of our players' – so it's clear that the players (especially the significant ones like Yang) had sigcov. Let me draftify and I'll turn it into something good. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify per above. Just realized from this that documentaries can count as sigcov, thanks! May be able to write some articles based on subjects covered in documentaries. seefooddiet (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - played at the World Cup, Olympics, and managed the national team?! Clearly notable. Giant Snowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep – Due to the lack of sources, the tendency is for it to be deleted, but in fact this seems to be one of the most relevant players in North Korea. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kim Jong-min (footballer, born 1947)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete also lack of WP:SIGCOV. Xegma(talk) 17:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - played at the Olympics and managed the national team, clearly notable - needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 20:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Improve per GiantSnowman. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 18:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and improve as per above

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Keep: as per GiantSnowman. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GiantSnowman has played in the Olympics and managed the national team.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I'm failing to see the notability here. The references provided are just profiles and clearly doesn't have any SIGCOV. I'm not convinced of the established notability comment per GiantSnowman. Taking part in Olympics doesn't warranty any notability, if there aren't any sources backing it up. My search results also turned out nil and clearly no SIGCOV or GNG met. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is clearly one of the examples were requiring strict SIGCOV compliance is patently absurd. Where on earth are we supposed to go to find North Korean newspaper archives? I can only note that in a scene in the film The Game of Their Lives (regarding the 1966 North Korean team), one North Korean player showed a book full of newspaper headlines for the top players with the national team – so it is obvious that the sport was very well-covered at the time and I don't see why a few years later would have been any different. Another way to notability would be WP:ANYBIO if Kim received any of the top honors in North Korea, which would be either Merited Athlete or People's Athlete. Looking up his name (김정민) in relation to the title Merited Athlete (공훈체육인) I get results including a piece from the Minju Choson stating in the preview "화원1동에 입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소의 김정민，량은향 로동자부부 ... 공훈체육인칭호가 수여되였다． 로력훈장이 1명에게，국기훈장 제2급이 18명 . [Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang, workers of the Mangyongdae District Waterworks Management Office in Hwawon 1-dong, were awarded the title of Meritorious Sportsman.]" – I have a strong feeling this was him (esp. given that we have no other North Korean 'Kim Jong-min's) but I receive warning messages when entering the site so I can't look further. Searching his name in relation to the 'Mangyondae District Waterworks Management Office' ("입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소" "김정민") brings up another piece from the Rodong Sinmun further discussing 'Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang' ("화원1동에 입사한 만경대구역상하수도관리소의 김정민, 량은향 로동자부부는 현대적인 살림집을 받아안고보니 우리 원수님의 은덕이 너무도 크고 ... [Kim Jong-min and Ryang-hyang, workers of the Mangyongdae District Waterworks Management Office in Hwawon 1-dong, received a modern house and realized that the grace of our Marshal was so great...]") but likewise I cannot access it further. IMO I'd like to keep this given how accomplished he is and how ridiculous it is to find North Korean newspaper sources. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: I agree with BeanieFan11's argument - proving WP:GNG for a North Korean would be extremely difficult. At the same time, the article gives very little information about the subject and needs improving. It makes sense to draftify and find sources to add to it so that it can be more useful to readers.DesiMoore (talk) 16:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd support that outcome and would expand it when I get the chance. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CPC and World Political Parties Summit

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This one-off video conference fails WP:EVENTCRITERIA. No WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and no indication of WP:LASTING effect whatsoever. Amigao (talk) 00:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The ideas of "No continued coverage" or "no lasting effect" is readily shown to be wrong by the second source, a 2023 academic book discussing the topic over multiple pages. In addition, we currently have multi-language coverage. "Video conference" should not suggest unimportance given the scope and period - event included 500 political parties and 10,000 individual representatives and was conducted in 2021 when China was still quite protective on COVID19 matters. JArthur1984 (talk) 00:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I'm not sure how notable the book source cited is, as it's not an online reference. I can bring up news coverage of the event in 2021. Sourcing is largely in academic journals, into 2023 at least [56], where it's discussed as part of China's larger influence in the world. Oaktree b (talk) 01:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for spotting. We should incorporate more journal articles.

Current book academic source I referred to is from the notable Suisheng Zhao and published by Stanford University Press JArthur1984 (talk) 12:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes for me, and I also incorporated the 2023 academic source identified by Oaktree b's. JArthur1984 (talk) 02:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Skycoach

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Promotional, fails WP:NCORP. Sources are reprints of press releases. ~ A412 ^talk! 00:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:BEFORE doesn't show any third party coverage. Fails WP:NCORP. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was written entirely from sources. Sources talk about news about the platform's activities, it is usually. All the facts that are in the article find confirmation in open independent sources. Jane230 (talk) 07:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – can't find any independent and secondary sources. The sources in the current version of the article are in fact one and the same source, a press release reprinted in four different places, with two of them being slightly rewritten but it's still the same source. --bonadea contributions talk 11:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]