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The face of Jesus is European

so now that the face of Jesus is reconstructed as European, Greek Like, what will pseudo scientists say about him being middle eastern 2600:1004:B0A7:A529:0:27:7522:E201 (talk) 22:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That he was middle-eastern. By definition. Also, not the first flying clue what you are on about regarding a "reconstruction." Did they find remains and I missed it? Dumuzid (talk) 23:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it would be unexpected if remains were found, per the Ascension . A Midjourney image"became an overnight social media sensation" in the wake of the wider media storm over Dr De Caro's study. Uncanny how much it looks like Newton. FeydHuxtable (talk) 20:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But it is expected that he made a selfie using the Shroud before he got beamed up? This is so weird. --Hob Gadling (talk) 05:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following link (click here) claims that: "Jesus’ blood type is the ultra-rare AB+ that universally accepts all other blood types, but is not accepted by any other blood types (probably symbolic of the reality that none can truly come to Christ unless God the Father draws him). This blood type, while extremely rare, has a slightly higher incidence among people of Middle Eastern descent, confirming Jesus’ incarnation and Abrahamic descent."

The close-up of the face currently featured on the article is not reliable, because it is an 'enhanced' image. Unaltered close-ups on the link provided, however, could certainly pass for 1st Century Eastern Mediterranean. (click here)

It wasn't until several centuries after the beginnings of Christianity, that the Arab expansion changed the demographics of the Eastern Mediterranean. Before this, the region had been a cross-cultural hub of three major continents.

In the Acts of the Apostles, there were visiting Arabs among the first Christians at Pentecost (Acts 2:20 - "Both Jews and converts to Judaism, Cretans and Arabs — We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”). A prophecy about Jesus is explained to a visiting Nubian African, and a devout centurion hears the Gospel in Caesarea.

In the 1st Century, the Eastern Mediterranean was also multi-lingual, with Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin each being widely spoken (among numerous other languages). 2600:8801:CA00:DDD0:B056:93A8:3C89:6F47 (talk) 02:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are not interested in your blog. Take your blog elsewhere. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was referencing the photo provided on the blog.

For the blood type, blood samples were taken from the Shroud itself. 2600:8801:CA00:DDD0:30C7:EDE7:7CA7:7B03 (talk) 21:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Listen, pal: the theology of bloodtype is a hoax. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:16, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The theological take on it wasn't the point, it was that this rare blood type has a slightly higher incidence among Middle Easterners. 2600:8801:CA00:DDD0:30C7:EDE7:7CA7:7B03 (talk) 21:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To correct my earlier comment, I'm not actually certain whether the current face image has been artificially-enhanced, after all.

An earlier topic on the subject mistakenly referred to this image as created by a religious artist through filtering, but the artist's concept referred to is actually another image entirely.

What I have noticed in comparing genuine photos, is that different degrees of light exposure seem to differently affect the dimensions of the facial features, making it seemingly impossible to know what the most accurate exposure is.

However, in all cases, the face looks (in my opinion) to be ancient Semitic. The proportions also match Byzantine depictions while they purportedly had the Shroud, using it as a model for coinage and religious art. 2600:8801:CA00:DDD0:30C7:EDE7:7CA7:7B03 (talk) 21:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CITE mainstream WP:SOURCES or be gone from this talk page. We are not interested in your musings. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:31, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]