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Ballerina Farm

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I noted that the article has multiple issues, but upon further review, I'm not sure this meets Wikipedia's standards WP:N. Winning regional pageants and having a lot of TikTok followers is not necessarily grounds for meriting an article. Flangalanger (talk) 20:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of antisemitic incidents in Kemp Mill, Maryland

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This article is a bundle of WP:SYNTH and WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH to conjure an encyclopedic topic that otherwise fails WP:GNG. In his comment removing the OR maintenance tag, the page creator is technically correct that everything is cited, but there is not one source that provides an overview connecting these incidents and covering antisemitism in Kemp Mill as a combined topic. Instead, the page creator has created a WP:COATRACK on which to hang a series of events over a 35-year period with no reliable sources to connect them except this article. As a result, the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NLIST. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ochicha

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I couldn't find sources to verify that this meets WP:NPLACE/WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 18:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Passes WP:NPLACE based on [1] and [2]. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 00:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Would have voted a ‘keep’ but the article contains no citation or reference. Needs to be developed and improved. Mevoelo (talk) 02:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete : No reliable source about this village. Just fails WP:GEOLAND.--Gabriel (……?) 16:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Participatory Culture Foundation

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While there's some coverage in connection with their powering of AO3, it's not ORG level and I don't see where it merits mention at Archive of Our Own since the one source isn't great. Opted against PROD due to its tenure, but this is a borderline A7 with no sourcing found to improve it. Star Mississippi 18:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Qward

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None of these references meet WP:SIGCOV and the article is mostly unreliable sources, for what material even has sources at all. Jontesta (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daxam

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None of these references meet WP:SIGCOV and the article is mostly unreliable sources, for what material even has sources at all. Jontesta (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Galactic Empire (Asimov)

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A non-notable fork of Foundation universe. This one has an abundance of material without proper references making it unsuited for an article and appropriate for deletion. WP:BEFORE indicated that Foundation universe might be a broader topic with some WP:SIGCOV. Jontesta (talk) 16:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Foundation universe, mostly WP:ALLPLOT with lackluster context of why it is independently important from the universe itself. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hildisvíni

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None of these references meet WP:SIGCOV. Bare mentions are not enough to write an article, but these minuscule terms from mythology are verifiable and could be an ok redirect term. Jontesta (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hildólfr

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None of these references meet WP:SIGCOV. Bare mentions are not enough to write an article, but these minuscule terms from mythology are verifiable and could be an ok redirect term. Jontesta (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hildr

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None of these references meet WP:SIGCOV. Bare mentions are not enough to write an article, but these minuscule terms from mythology are verifiable and could be an ok redirect term. Jontesta (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No single most obvious place to redirect, but doesn't seem standalone notable and the hits I'm getting are mostly from God of War, not actual mythology. Better to let the search function do its job. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Mega Dice

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Promotional article for a cryptocurrency gambling site, no reliable sources. Doesn't meet WP:GNG/WP:NORG. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lucky Block (online casino)

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Promotional article for a cryptocurrency gambling site, no reliable sources. Doesn't meet WP:GNG/WP:NORG. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No non-promotional sourcing to be found. ~ A412 ^talk! 16:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

William Atticus Parker

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This article should be deleted. The article highlights his film career, but his career is WP:TOOSOON. He has had three uncredited TV roles, one credited TV role 3 years ago, one uncredited movie role, and two credited movie roles. It is premature to give this actor a Wikipedia article. The article does not demonstrate GNG with its sources and it is reasonable to assume someone with such a small filmography could not meet that standard (yet). While his parents are two very talented actors, but notability is not inherited. Mpen320 (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: meets WP:DIRECTOR as director of at least 2 notablle feature films, so that deletion is not necessary in my opinion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply. The criteria for WP:DIRECTOR to which I believe you are alluding is the person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series). Neither of his films has been covered in this way. The films do not show up on the Box Office Mojo grossing lists. Forty Winks is an 80 minute movie (barely a feature) and has four reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. Atrabilious, which is at least a full length film, has a whopping five. For context, Paddington 2 has 251 reviews. Neither film's gross shows up on Box Office Mojo, so they were not widely released. Depending on what one can find about Atrabilious, it would be just one single thing and still not meet WP:GNG. --Mpen320 (talk) 19:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, his films have received coverage the way that is required. Yes, it is less than Paddington 2, which received less than Citizen Kane..... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And 80 minutes is CLEARLY not barely the duration of a feature film (>40 or 58 min), btw. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And also Wp: Oneevent does NOT apply to artists and their work, whereas Wp:Director DOES apply even if one film is concerned (and here you have 2, anyway). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then you should be able to demonstrate that coverage by providing links in your responses. Also, I assume at this point I am being trolled because Citizen Kane has 134 critics reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. That is such an unnecessary lie.--Mpen320 (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you being serious??? I'm telling you Citizen Kane received more coverage than Paddington 2 , which everyone knows, and you feel compelled to check the number of comments on Rotten Tomatoes and call that "trolling" and a lie??? Just educate yourself. I will make no further comments. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see now that I 1) got a little too wrapped up in this and 2) should have not read your thing so literally (i.e. more not equalling more reviews, but rather general SIGCOV). If you have any sources, as I said, please provide.--Mpen320 (talk) 21:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Leaving this here: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpen320 (talk • contribs)

I am not sure this comment is necessary, given the page history. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I leave this on all pages where I get pushback on deletions.--Mpen320 (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

.рус

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No good sources, seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. The article literally says, twice, that there is a lack of information for use in writing about it.. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Many references exist in the corresponding article in the Russian Wikipedia at https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/.%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81 or ru:.рус That article also includes a detail chronology of the top-level domain. Once the information in the Russian article is added to this one, notability should be clear. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the russian article, a large majority of the sources are from icann, which is not what I would describe as independent third-party coverage congruent with WP:GNG Sohom (talk) 16:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I'd say it's a plurality. There's usable sources like CNews, RIA Novotsi, and Lenta.ru. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greenfield High School (Massachusetts)

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Fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG, run of the mill high school, a search for sources turned up a mix of primary sources, database entries or mentions. Since the deprecation of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, schools are not automatically notable. I am not seeing evidence of notability here. Lavalizard101 (talk) 12:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IC Markets

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I can't see that the article passes WP:NCORP. Almost all of the available sources seem to be paid PR. Those that aren't paid PR lack WP:SIGCOV. In keeping with almost all the sources being paid PR, the article is heavily promotional. I don't see that anything has changed since the last deletion. TarnishedPath^talk 12:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pinging @LibStar, @Cabrils and @HighKing as editors involved in the last discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 12:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turhan Mildon

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Fails GNG and sources found all routine or promo. No WP:INHERIT just because his company is notable. WP:BEFORE check did not yield any substantive sources. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kagarama

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This possibly passes WP:NGEO but would be far better servied merged inside Kicukiro District due to lack of sourcing or possibility to expand prose here. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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PensionBee

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Unlikely to meet NCORP; no reliable sources The editing spirit (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep this and this seem like independent, significant and reliable sources and there's even more coverage in the news search example. Article needs improvement. Orange sticker (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Derrick Adu Kwakye

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Totally AI-generated text that does not match the sources used. Article subject is a non-notable arm wrestler, I can find only brief mentions of the individual; won silver in two categories in arm wrestling at the 2023 African Games. No extended coverage that I can discover and nothing like the content the article suggests, although I am in no way the best-placed to discover Ghanaian sources. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 10:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Pickersgill-Cunliffe i sincerely appreciate your concern. we are currently running a contest on athletes that has participated in the African Games. This is a major tournament in Africa and a very notable one at that. We understand that these athletes are underrepresented in the media as they tend to focus more on other competitions like AFCON, Olympics among others. Media coverage has always been an issue here in Africa and we are trying in our own capacity not to let their achievements go unnoticed. I know other continents might not be able to relate to this constraint but I'd like to plead with you and other reviewers to resist from tagging subsequent articles for deletion. Thanks for your cooperation. Sunkanmi

Weak keep: Coverage [3], [4], [5], not super extensive, but it confirms the career and wins. Oaktree b (talk) 00:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b The first piece is directly from SWAG (see byline). The second piece only has a namedrop and part of one sentence on Kwakye: Derrick Adu Kwakye will have it tough as he comes face to face with Haruna Tahiru who dethroned Asoka in the Armwrestling Super match after several years of dominance. I don't see GNG being met here... JoelleJay (talk) 22:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources provided by Oaktree b here each provide independent coverage of the subject and help this BLP meet the WP:GNG. Although some editing needs to happen here to improve the WP:NPOV, that is not a reason by itself to delete. Let'srun (talk) 12:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Society for Navigation on Essequibo and adjacent Rivers

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This article has no lead section and only refrences one source. There are no inline citations and the majority of the article is unsourced. The prose is also unprofessional and unencylopedic. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 11:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mehran Spice and Food Industries

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Fails WP:NCORP - lacks non-routine in-depth coverage. This article is a "staff report" but is very promotional in nature - I don't think it is an example of independent substantial coverage per WP:CORPDEPTH. Gheus (talk) 11:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ilham Kadri

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I have not found sufficient reliable, independent news coverage of the topic, which is required by WP or the General Notability guidelines RodrigoIPacce (talk) 10:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Jubani

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6 games in Albania’s highest league, continued in the semi-pro second tier before playing one last season in the Kategoria Superiore. I couldn't find any sources to make this person meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. This is too brief, and this is too reliant on quotes, 2 of the 3 sections about Jubani are exclusively made up of quotes. Geschichte (talk) 10:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Albert Kaçiku

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Never played in Albania’s highest league, only that of Kosovo, as well as the semi-pro second tier in Albania and Austrian Regionalliga. What I find is either way too short [6] [7] [8], not really about him [9] [10] [11] or the usual database and social media hits. There is one articles with a tendency towards significance, which is this. What do you think? Geschichte (talk) 10:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zhong Juzhan

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Played 4 games in China League One, a few more in China League Two. I don't think this is enough for WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 10:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wang Xin (footballer)

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Played 6 minutes in the Chinese Super League, 15 minutes in the semi-pro Danish second tier, some more games in China League Two according to Soccerway. I don't see enough for fulfilling WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 10:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Syensqo

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not meet GNG RodrigoIPacce (talk) 10:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MásMóvil

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lack of notable sources and link to meet notability RodrigoIPacce (talk) 10:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dr. Ziauddin Hospitals

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Fails WP:NCORP - in my before I found articles like this which is clearly marked as "PR" or this which is marked as "press release". This hospital chain is a for-profit business so it has to receive non-routine direct and in-depth coverage per WP:CORPTRIV. The corruption scandal is already on Asim Hussain's article, so I'm okay with a redirect to Asim Hussain or the parent organization, Ziauddin University. Gheus (talk) 10:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This hospital is a notable institution in Karachi with sufficient coverage. Rather than being deleted outright, it should be merged with Ziauddin University. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stewart Tan Seng Teong

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Previous AfD outcome was redirect. I could find no sources for full name or just first and last names. Does not meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 10:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chughtai Lab

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Fails WP:NCORP - collaborations, partnerships coverage is not useful per WP:CORPTRIV. Gheus (talk) 10:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shamus Liptrot Cycling Trail

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I don't think this article meets our notability criteria. It only cites external links to primary sources and not reliable, secondary sources. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 10:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mount Gambier Rail Trail

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I don't think this article meets our notability criteria. It only cites external links to primary sources and not reliable, secondary sources. Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 10:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect to Mount Gambier railway line. Mccapra (talk) 12:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Comeaux

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Man doing his job. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 10:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Although I'd agree that simply doing the job alone does not indicate significance, I'd contend that the area of impact and subject matter constitute significance. Comeaux oversees/implements the DEA's policies for over 16 million people throughout Texas. This is particularly significant considering the hot button topic of the opioid epidemic--especially so as fentanyl coming through Texas is a large focus of nationwide policy and debate. For notoriety, the Houston Chronicle (one of the largest newspapers in the nation) did a piece solely focused on him and CBS and NBC affiliates in Houston (KHOU and KPRC respectively) have also featured him for interviews. BucketSky10 (talk) 17:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BucketSky10: Interviews don't count toward establishing notability. If you have sources, now is the time to post them here. WP:THREE is the formal standard for establishing. Post three WP:SECONDARY sources to prove its notable. scope_creep^Talk 17:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here are my three: 1, 2, 3 . I appreciate your time throughout this process. BucketSky10 (talk) 00:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Statrys

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Disputed draftification. WP:DRAFTIFY does not allow redraftiification without formal consensus, so here we are. WP:ADMASQ, this is a WP:ROTM business, failing WP:NCORP. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, no sign of meeting WP:NCORP, all the coverage is trivial. --bonadea contributions talk 13:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bidoof

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Sigh Here we go again... Bidoof continues to fail WP:GNG as a non-notable Pokemon, even after the article resurrection. Why? Notability is not inherited. Most of the reception is talking about Bidoof Day - a separate topic - or the Bidoof's Big Stand animated short, also a separate topic. It's the equivalent of citing quotations from game reviews to justify the notability of a character within the game. While the Vice article has a solid amount of discussion about the Pokemon itself, that's only one source, and the other "major" one is a heavily meme-y Kotaku article, of the sort editors are advised to avoid at all costs. Many other sources are rather trivial.

I think Big Stand is arguably more notable than the Pokemon itself with a couple major reviews [12] [13] - though still not quite notable enough for an article from what I've found. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As is demonstrated in WP:GNG, a citation does not need to be talking about the subject primarily in order for it to be usable as a show of notability for the subject. Multiple citations used in the article state that Bidoof's popularity among the fanbase is responsible for why things like Bidoof's Big Stand and Bidoof Day exist in the first place, so to argue that their notability is not related to Bidoof itself is not a well-founded argument to make. This article provides sigcov on Bidoof as a meme, and this source, despite being a "listicle," provides adequate coverage and discussion of Bidoof to constitute sigcov. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 10:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, as a gentle reminder, be sure to notify all relevant editors of the deletion of the article, not just the person who made the first edit. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 11:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restore redirect No consensus to override the last AFD and this continues to fail WP:GNG. Jontesta (talk) 16:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with Zx here. I've gone through the articles sources, and besides the Vice article, I'm not particularly convinced. The Polygon and Kotaku sources are pretty meme-y and are mostly just quoting Twitter posts, and I can't say they give much weight. I also don't know if I can count a ranking of all 150 original Pokemon as "significant coverage" when it's just a small paragraph in a sea of 149 other paragraphs. I don't think there's significant critical commentary here. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I just don't think this meets the mark... λ NegativeMP1 17:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Theodoros Veniamis

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Being a wealthy shipping line owner does not in and of itself confer notability. Fails WP:BIO 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Global society (for sustainable development)

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Is original research and an WP:ESSAY. Goldsztajn (talk) 06:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Straightforwardly per nom. Reywas92^Talk 13:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NZ Climate Party

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Fails WP:NCORP. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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GOdsownNZ

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Fails WP:NCORP and GNG too. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The party never registered as a political party and had only one candidate contest an election. Ajf773 (talk) 08:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand Republican Party (1995)

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Fails WP:NCORP. Note that there is another party with the exact same name. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WOLFRAM

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Non-notable, promotional page about Australian DJ. Page created by paid editor (WP:COI has been appropriately declared), so page needs to well meet notability criteria, but in my view falls well short of WP:MUSICBIO, WP:ANYBIO. Claim to fame was a decade ago so if notability was supposedly achieved, WP:RSs should have been visible by now. Cabrils (talk) 06:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Cabrils, thank you for your feedback. I have updated the page to reflect his current status as a pivotal figure in the fashion and electronic music space, citing the most prestigious outlets having published recent pieces on him in the last 2 years- including Vogue Magazine, INDIE Mag, and Sleek Magazine, and included his collaboration with renowned brand ZALANDO on their campaign last year. These are all cited and included in the most recent edits. In the sources I have added, it is adequate that WP:RSs is visible and the requirements are satisfied. Please let me know if you have any additional feedback Natlaur (talk) 13:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to read about WP:COIRESPONSE. – The Grid (talk) 19:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jayelle

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Non-notable musician. Nothing to indicate she meets any criteria of WP:MUSICBIO, WP:ANYBIO. Few WP:RSs-- most sources don't meet WP:RS as they are either not reliable (eg Medium) or not substantively about the subject (eg are about a telethon). Cabrils (talk) 06:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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So sorry- would love to move this to a draft space to remedy this! Sovenfire3982 (talk) 06:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lauren Lam

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Fails NBAD and BLP. Stvbastian (talk) 06:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this is coverage but it is just generic reporting on tournaments and not in-depth secondary coverage. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Wilson (businessman)

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The topic may not meet Wikipedia's notability standards under WP or the General Notability Guidelines due to insufficient coverage from reliable, independent sources. More independent media references are required to demonstrate significant coverage and establish notability. Moarnighar (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gufic Biosciences Ltd

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The topic may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, as it lacks sufficient coverage from independent, reliable news sources. Moarnighar (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kang Khai Xing

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Fails NBAD and BLP Stvbastian (talk) 06:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Malacca Securities

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The topic may not meet Wikipedia's notability standards under WP, as it lacks sufficient coverage by reliable, independent news sources. More independent media references are needed to establish notability beyond promotional content. Moarnighar (talk) 12:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jason Gunawan

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Fails NBAD. Stvbastian (talk) 06:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Addition: I have read the 1st nomination, but no one cares about this article. Better this article move to draft.Stvbastian (talk) 06:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henrich Ručkay

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak ice hockey player. A source that is the closest to significant coverage is Teraz. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is likewise an unsourced stub, which may help copy over English article otherwise. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Summary of New Zealand national rugby league team test matches

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Article relys on a single source, article is strangely formatted and isn't consistent with other similar articles, case for WP:TNT so a proper List of New Zealand national rugby league team results can be created.

Previously PRODed, and was reverted on the basis that the article could be improved and that I as PRODed nominator had changed the name of the page. Yes, article could be improved, but there is virtually nothing novel or useful on this page so don't see why edit history needs retaining for a new article "List of New Zealand national rugby league team results". Articles name was changed to better reflect the article content. But in reality, it is so far away from the standard way to display a list of national team results that it's best to be deleted. To fix this page would involve removing 99% of the content anyway. Mn1548 (talk) 08:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:NOTDB Traumnovelle (talk) 04:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gaming the system

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Fails WP:NOTDICTIONARY, and the article besides its definition is merely an example farm of unrelated examples that are better off examined in articles like cheating or corruption. It is tough to make sense of it, due to how seemingly random and far from each other each example is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: First, WP:NOTDICTIONARY as nom said. Second, every single source is either unreliable (a PDF of a slide deck, conference proceedings) or a passing example of someone using the phrase in a radically different context. Third, many of the examples are either unsourced or disconnected from each other, WP:SYNTH. And while "gaming the system" might be a specific form of cheating, we just can't have an article without an in-depth source on what makes this form of cheating distinct; a bunch of cherry-picked uses of the term aren't going to cut it. (And I find it hard to believe nobody ever used this term before 1975...a claim sourced to the aforementioned conference proceedings). WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 10:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Letter and spirit of the law#Gaming the system. No time to do a WP:BEFORE search myself, but assuming this is not notable as a separate topic WP:Alternatives to deletion should be considered. Aside from the first one, I don't see what's wrong with the secondary sources of the first paragraph. And sentence two to five are not at all what would fit into a dictionary definition but rather historical or analytical commentary. So contrary to the main point of the nomination, this does not fail WP:NOTDICTIONARY. So even if the rest were WP:SYNTH, which I have not time to look into, sentences two to five should be WP:PRESERVEd. Daranios (talk) 10:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Letter and spirit of the law#Gaming the system. This subject does not meet WP:GNG to be suitable for a standalone article. Jtwhetten (talk) 14:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to see what some sock was up to, check the history--it's not worth keeping it here, not even struck through. Drmies (talk) 21:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate (or Keep) with a clear link to Letter and spirit of the law and maybe renaming to Gaming the system (law) in case of disambiguation. Article should be clearer if the disambiguation splits the article into several non-overlapping topics. Kazkaskazkasako (talk) 17:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Letter and spirit of the law#Gaming the system. That article couldn't exist as standalone because of insufficient reliable sources to back. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: You missed blocking this sock: Playing the system (talk · contribs). Borgenland (talk) 18:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Buried Hearts

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The article's title neither official nor confirmed as the English title from the independent secondary reliable sources. Also WP:TOOSOON. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 06:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If I'm not mistaken in WP:TVSERIES, as long as the article had its creator, writer, and confirmed cast members with reliable sources, the article may be notable, and the title can be change if it's WP:COMMONTITLE. Aidillia (talk) 06:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aidillia You're right about TVSERIES that's why I created a draft article of the drama but on COMMONTITLE I will disagree just for the same reason of my AfD rationale. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 06:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So should just moved it to the original title? Aidillia (talk) 06:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, do you just wish to rename it? Feel free. (A note would seem enough but if you think your title is better, I support the move) Or to move it to Draft and merge with your Draft? I’m OK with that too but not opposed to Keep, given your exchange above. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mushy Yank I like the idea of merging it to draft to preserve the contents. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 22:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If everyone agrees with that, I support the idea. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to delete the article i create, is it possible? not to merge? just let 98Tigerius create it on another page of title.. Aidillia (talk) 22:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, now that this is at AfD, we have to wait for the close. I am not opposed to Delete if you, the creator and only content contributor, really wish, but it’s not my call. Can I ask why you want this deleted? Is it not better to merge? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, better not to merge it.. it is not like I'm doing WP:CUTPASTE. Aidillia (talk) 23:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Liz, I am honestly quite surprised by the content and tone of this relist. The page about how AfDs should be conducted says we can COMBINE various possibilities (at least TWO, and that is a quite common way to !vote, as you obviously know, so no, sorry, one should not ONLY bold ONE !vote if they consider two options are possible ); and the chit chat (I am not sure why you would want to use that word, that might sound dismissive to participants in this discussion and discourage them; such is at least my case) seemed like a constructive and polite discussion to me, and its goal was to reach consensus. For the rest, I think the nominator just changed their mind during the course of the discussion and originally wished to delete it. At the same time, the page creator changed their mind too and went from rename to delete; they eventually asked to have their own page deleted but I assume, your relist not mentioning that issue, that my reply indicating that we should wait for a close was correct (I indicated not opposed to Delete to allow the closing admin to choose that option). So, very sorry, I do not mean to be contrarian (and generally !vote for 1/2 for possibilities), but here, although I understand it is unusual and can appear contradictory, I will stand by my multiple !vote and do not mind if it goes one of the indeed multiple ways I bolded (some worded as "not opposed to", some being conditional, deletion if that is the wish of the creator; keep and rename if this is the target of the other draft redirecting to it or redirect and merge if it is made the other way around). My idea was precisely to allow a quick and easy close. Maybe I was wrong but that's what I meant. Now, it is true that no clear consensus has emerged so far. But that is rather common in AfDs and they can be closed as non consensus in that case. Most of all, a consensus might emerge from our chit chat, although it will be most likely without any further input from myself. Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Too early WP:TOOSOON. Sources are announcements and is still in pre-production stage. RangersRus (talk) 21:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Canteen

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Appears like an advertisement/promotion for the Government of Andhra Pradesh. Proposing deletion. Thewikizoomer (talk) 05:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article aligns with various other government schemes in Andhra Pradesh, similar to initiatives of various states like Amma Unavagam, Amma Kudineer, Indira Canteens, and Ahar Yojana, which are all state-owned restaurant services. Additionally, I don't believe the language used is promotional in nature, so I'm unsure why you consider it to be advertisement/promotion for the Government of Andhra Pradesh. The article is well-supported by numerous reliable sources from reputable media sources as mentioned, thus I object this nomination.

The content that I have contributed is in-line and complying with the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Copyrights principles of Wikipedia in my good faith. 456legend talk 07:17, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with @456legend that this just reads like a description of a public welfare program, with a bit of praise for the people who set it up but otherwise factual and neutral. The claim this is promotional is unfounded (unless you want to say The revival aims to continue providing affordable and nutritious meals to all individuals is puffery.)

For sources we have Times of India on the initial launch, and another from ToI on the relaunch, and an article from India today. At least - I stopped there because all three are significant coverage but I'll look further if other editors think these don't satisfy notability. Oblivy (talk) 13:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep appears notable to me, see this source for example: dx.doi.org/10.22161/ijels.4410 Traumnovelle (talk) 06:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of the Maldives, Brussels

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3 of the 4 sources are primary. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 06:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ben Brown (writer)

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Writer fails WP:NBIO. Article has been tagged for notability since November 2022. GTrang (talk) 05:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: References fail to pass WP:SIRS and so article fails to pass WP:NBIO. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NBIO. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Definitely notable. He has won national book awards in New Zealand and was the Reading Ambassador from 2021–2023. TheSwamphen (talk) 23:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article meets WP:NBIO. I would be very disappointed if it is deleted without further discussion. TheSwamphen (talk) 06:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merit (law)

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dicdef with no hope of expansion. ltbdl☃ (talk) 05:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is linked by ~50 articles, and there appears to be no list article of English legal terms to which this could be merged. Thus Redirect using {{Wiktionary redirect}} to wikt:merits#Noun or similar. (Also happy with a merge/redirect to a suitable article in preference to that if one can be identified). ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 06:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Li Xiang (footballer, born 1989)

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I had difficulty finding any sources in English. The current article doesn't even list number of appearances. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Would reconsider if there are decent sources in Chinese. LibStar (talk) 05:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per WP:NATHLETE, they don't seem to have done anything notable or are mentioned in many sources. Sir MemeGod  12:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One-upmanship

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Fails WP:NOTDICTIONARY, with its content essentially just being an explanation of its origin that could easily be included in the Wiktionary page. I don't see evidence of the term having standalone notability or passing WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thinking merge to competition. Section on “competitiveness" could use it. Hyperbolick (talk) 23:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yun Il-gwang

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Steve Tappin

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The subject appears to be a non-notable individual, lacking significant coverage in reliable sources that establish notability. Most of the sources cited in the article and on the talk page are passing mentions, interviews, primary, routine coverage, or hearsay, none of which provide in-depth coverage. The article fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, and WP:NAUTHOR. Additionally, off-wiki evidence suggests potential undisclosed paid editing and sockpuppetry. GSS ^💬 13:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep in the talkpage of this article there are lot of significant coverages. Xegma(talk) 03:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Xegma Do you really research on topics or just go on voting 'delete' at AfDs? Did you check the talk page of this article? There are significant coverage in China Daily and The Telegraph and all are present in the talk page. Even nominator failed to do WP:BEFORE. Unless it is a UPE issue, there is no reason to delete. It is a Keep. Hitro talk 21:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The articles you are referring to seem to be paid promotional pieces, structured as interviews, which often include sections like "bio" and "CV" at the end of the article—something rarely found in genuine editorial news. It's a common feature of sponsored content. Additionally, the Telegraph article lacks an author byline, which raises questions about whether it was even produced by their editorial team. GSS ^💬 03:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The China Daily article, the one I am referring to, was written by Andrew Moody. I hope you are not implying that Andrew Moody, a renowned journalist and recipient of the Friendship Medal (China) from the Chinese government, was just an editor of paid promotional pieces.

The Telegraph article, which is almost 16 years old, appears to be written by Dominic White and must have been published on the old format of the website of The Telegraph which was significantly different from current one. Please check the other articles of same years, you won't find author bylines.

Apart from those, I also see WP:SIGCOV in this, a South China Morning Post article.

I see that this BLP article was created on Wikipedia in 2008 and being nominated for deletion now due to some recent UPE activities. IMO, it's more appropriate to restore the best version of the article rather than delete it entirely. If you have a case that this has been a UPE product from the start then I'll rest my case. Hitro talk 15:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
HitroMilanese, I respect your expertise, but I must point out that all the articles you've mentioned are essentially interviews, which do not meet the standards of independent sources required by WP:GNG. For instance, the China Daily article explicitly states in the second paragraph, "Steve Tappin says," while the Telegraph article includes phrases like "But Tappin, whom I meet" and "Talking to him, it almost seems..." Similarly, the South China Morning Post piece follows the same pattern. These sources rely heavily on hearsay and fail to meet the criteria for WP:IS.

Regarding the absence of a byline in The Telegraph, I managed to find many articles, both older and from the same time period (even 2008), with proper author attribution, such as this. It's unfair to say the byline is missing simply because it could have been published in an older format of the website, where bylines were not prominently displayed.

Additionally, the article was created by a single-purpose account (SPA) with no contributions outside this topic. Given the subject's history of hiring freelancers to update his article, it is highly likely that the SPA either has a conflict of interest or was hired to create this article. GSS ^💬 06:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment : I am posting on behalf of Steve Tappin, so I assume my vote would not count, but I just wanted to bring to your attention that Mr. Tappin meets the criteria for WP:AUTHOR, WP:BASIC and WP:ENT. As WP:AUTHOR, if there are multiple reviews of his work he would qualify. Below are some links to his book reviews
https://www.managementtoday.co.uk/books-special-steve-tappin-tells-us-secret/article/845739 - book review
https://timesnewsgroup.com.au/geelongtimes/living/renowned-authors-to-share-secrets-on-personal-development/ - Book review
https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-85788-513-2 - The Secrets of CEOs - Book Review
https://kimtasso.com/book-review-the-awareness-code-the-secrets-to-emotional-empowerment-for-incredible-leadership-by-wayne-linton-and-steve-tappin/ - Book Review (Even tough this is a blog, the original article is from February 2022 edition of Professional Marketing magazine, as stated
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/m/eduonline/2009-11/23/content_9103252.htm - Book Review, contains quotations, but about half the article is original journalist commentary

In addition WP:BASIC states that “If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability;” Tappin has over 40 articles online as you can also see some posted in the tal page. Also the following article is in depth:

https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/vGunLo5swZ5apoTkVPeZcK/Steve-Tappin--The-author-spills-his-secrets.html - very indepth

Finally, as per WP:ENT he would qualify because he was the host of BBC TV show CEO GURU for a long time - over two years - and has been on at least 30 episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuzzsoth (talk • contribs) 23:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep the book reviews above and ones I found seem good for him to pass WP:NAUTHOR. Some of the other stuff looks promising but I haven't evaluated that as much. I found some more sources on ProQuest.

hysterically, one of the sources accuses him of having his wikipedia entry edited. We have come full circle PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, PARAKANYAA, which one is that? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz It's from the Evening Standard (admittedly a British tabloid, so take with a grain of salt, but I think it's funny), 24 October 2012:

"STEVE Tappin -- an erstwhile headhunter and one-time author who now styles himself as a "CEO coach", was caught out three years ago by a City blog which wondered if he had sexed up his Wikipedia entry.

The collaboratively-edited online encyclopedia then stated that Tappin was a mentor to some of the top names in British business including Sir Terry Leahy and Andy Haste -- then bosses of Tesco and RSA, respectively -- only for the companies to quickly distance themselves from Tappin's claims. The entry was subsequently toned down." Then it goes on to say something about the book and his Twitter. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amadour

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Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Note tag added. Present coverage all PR. Introducing Amadour, EP being released soon. scope_creep^Talk 16:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This promotional biography of an emerging artist. The article is trying to cobble together notability-by-association. It doesn't matter who or how many well known artists someone has studied with or interviewed or written about or allegedly curated into shows. The article has been ref-bombed mostly with things he's written about others; student newspaper profiles in the Daily Bruin(UCLA); blog-ish PR advertorials such as Cultbytes a "strategic communications agency" (PR agency "online publication"); and user submitted content websites "submit your music!". Delete per WP:PROMO and WP:TOOSOON; does not meet WP:NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 13:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect to Saint Amadour. I can't remember how this came to be on my watchlist, possibly due to a previous article of this name that got deleted. If so, that does not seem to have been about the same person. There are potentially four claims to notability made here: As a visual artist, as a musician, as a writer and as a curator. None of those are substantiated. The article seems to be trying to inherit notability from minor connections to notable topics. The sources are poor. Many are just their writing, which provides verifiability that they have written, but proves no notability. The music coverage is minimal and one of the sources is a Tumblr blog. The visual/conceptual arts stuff is even thinner, most are just a single passing reference in coverage of group shows, mere entries on a list. There is potentially a fifth claim to notability in that they are described as an art critic here. What we seem to have here is a person who is trying various different things in and around the art world and who has yet to become notable for any one of them. Getting redirected to a (probably fictional) saint might seem like a bit of a kick in the teeth but it is the right thing to do, at least for now. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sam Forster

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This is a vanity article for a little-known freelance writer. His only claim to fame is drawing widespread mockery and condemnation for his book about wearing blackface across the United States. Much more notable Canadian journalists do not have Wikipedia pages, and the achievements listed are negligible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrashPandaMan (talk • contribs)

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Keep - The critique overlooks the broader context of Sam Forster's contributions to the public discourse. While it's true that not every writer or journalist gains widespread recognition overnight, dismissing someone's work solely based on their level of fame or controversial moments is short-sighted. Forster’s book, which has indeed sparked debate, addresses sensitive and complex issues, and the ensuing reactions—both positive and negative—demonstrate that his work has provoked meaningful conversations.

It's essential to recognize that public figures who challenge societal norms often face harsh criticism, but that doesn't diminish the value of their contributions. Many notable figures throughout history were initially met with ridicule before their work was acknowledged as significant. Forster's willingness to tackle uncomfortable topics is an important part of his role as a writer. Furthermore, Wikipedia is a platform that reflects public interest, and Forster's coverage there simply mirrors the fact that his work, controversial or not, has sparked significant public attention.

Additionally, comparing Forster to other Canadian journalists based on fame is a false equivalence. The presence or absence of a Wikipedia page is not a measure of a person’s accomplishments, nor does it negate the relevance of their work. It's important to focus on the substance of what a writer has contributed to discussions, rather than focusing on how well-known they are or how their work has been received in certain circles.

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This approach emphasizes the importance of intellectual discourse, the value of confronting complex societal issues, and challenges the assumptions about fame equating to worth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daves598 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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UCI Health – Los Alamitos

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Does not meet WP:SIGCOV nor WP:NCORP. I thought about bundling with the Fountain Valley edition. However, there might be something about each specific location that could be found with a further in-depth search. Conyo14 (talk) 04:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep this hospital is notable, the nominator did not do a Google Search. Catfurball (talk) 18:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did a WP:BEFORE. Aside from press releases, I couldn't find anything. However, I don't doubt the hospital had other names. Thus, if sigcov is proven, then it can remain. However, the sources there right now are better for a merge between the three articles.

Also, WP:AGF. Conyo14 (talk) 18:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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UCI Health – Lakewood

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Does not meet WP:SIGCOV nor WP:NCORP. I thought about bundling with the Fountain Valley edition. However, there might be something about each specific location that I wouldn't want to mix with the others. Conyo14 (talk) 04:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep this hospital is notable, the nominator did not do a Google Search. Catfurball (talk) 18:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete For the Lakewood hospital in particular, there doesn't seem to be extensive non-trivial coverage. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 18:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Bancroft Times

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Newspaper fails WP:GNG. GTrang (talk) 04:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of newspapers in Canada: per WP:NNEWSPAPER (weekly, local newspaper, no significant impact) and WP:GNG (could not find many sources after a skim through 3 pages of Google). Sir MemeGod  12:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UCI Health – Fountain Valley

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Does not meet WP:GNG. The sources speak of the majority of hospitals within the network but give no significant coverage of the Fountain Valley location Conyo14 (talk) 04:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep this hospital is notable, the nominator should have did a Google Search before nominating. Catfurball (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drawer dishwasher

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The article solely discusses one manufacturers particular model, and has always been this way; it was renamed from "DishDrawer" to "Drawer dishwasher" early on, but its content has never changed.
The focus of the article is ostensibly on dishwashers that open horizontally. That's nowhere near worthy an entire article.
Very few pages link to it, only dishwasher, the article of the product's manufacturer, and a message to a contributor who was then banned for advertising.
Much of the article's talk page discusses its status as an advertisement and its use of a trademark.

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MarquisDonders, you nominated this article for deletion on your 3rd edit (you have a total of 5 edits) but judging from your nomination statement, you clearly know how Wikipedia works. What were your previous account(s)? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm computer literate, sure. I've contributed to Wikipedia before anonymously. I read the guidelines for AfDs thoroughly as to not embarrass myself or waste anybody's time.

I understand your concern (presumably) with a relatively new user trying to delete articles and wouldn't fault you for denying the AfD for that reason, but I'd hope my arguments were considered upon their own merit.

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Marvel Super Hero Adventures (comic books)

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Comic series fails WP:GNG. GTrang (talk) 04:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Phuttiphong Aroonpheng

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Thai film director fails WP:NBIO. This article has been redirected twice, but the redirection has been reverted both times by the article creator, who said in both edit summaries to nominate at AfD. GTrang (talk) 04:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:FILMMAKER (section 3). Phuttiphong Aroonpheng has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work (Manta Ray). The work has been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. The fact that the article is a stub does not mean that it should be deleted. See WP:TOOSHORT: Wikipedia has many stubs. These should not be deleted for this reason but should be marked as stubs. Khiikiat (talk) 07:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: indeed fairly meets WP:DIRECTOR as director of Manta Ray, a very notable film. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Kim Mu-gil

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ditto Insurance

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Non-notable business, promotional. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NCORP. Cabrils (talk) 03:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Can't find WP:SIGCOV beyond regurgitated press releases. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article was created based on its notability and the accessible news articles that support its notability. I found few references which are reliable: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11. BFS Stand (talk) 06:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently liveMint does branded content, but I can't tell what is branded content and what isn't

second, sixth source is passing mention.

third source is paid promotion.

can't even find mention of ditto on 7th or 8th.

Benzinga 9th is paid promotion.

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FK Sloboda Čačak

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Serbian football club fails WP:GNG. This article was deleted under WP:A7 almost 10 years ago, and it has only recently been undeleted. GTrang (talk) 03:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment It was undeleted for a reason, did you bother to find out why and see if that person who request can improve the article? Govvy (talk) 08:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, being a third-tier club it seems reasonably well established and integrated in Serbian football. Geschichte (talk) 11:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Geschichte. — Sadko (words are wind) 12:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is notable due to its existence for over 70 years. Karol739 (talk) 15:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lily Tang Williams

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Non-notable congressional candidate. Winning a U.S. House primary does not entitle someone to a Wikipedia page, and I don't see how she passes GNG. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as per Asilvering Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2024 United States House of Representatives elections in New Hampshire#District 2. Candidates rarely, if ever, meet the notability conditions of WP:NPOL, see WP:POLOUTCOMES. If she wins in November, we can reassess. But for now, her bio should be merged into the article about the election. Bkissin (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator here, I would support a redirect to that page. This will be be her most high-profile run for office, clearly trumping her 2022 run for this district where she lost in the primary and her 2016 Colorado Senate bid where she took 3% of the vote. The 2024 page is the best redirect target. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oof, I forgot that she has lost multiple elections. I don't know where the best redirect target would be, but if you think it's best for 2024, I'll defer to you. Bkissin (talk) 15:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom and Bkissin, eight of the 10 references are for her winning the Republican nomination for the district, and not really about her specifically. reppop^talk 21:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep

There's quite a few sources about her immigration/escape from China, if that matters, such as:

Interview with John Stossel 6 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxMWs8RyLLI:

https://thepoliticswatcher.com/pages/articles/congress/2024/9/10/lily-tang-williams-republican-candidate-unique-perspective

https://bunewsservice.com/lily-tang-williams-living-the-american-dream/

https://www.heritage.org/asia/heritage-explains/lily-tang-williams-growing-communist-china

From UK (though the Daily Mail is marginal):

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13146007/lily-tang-williams-congressional-candidate-republican-biden-border.html

From Japan:

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2024/01/5f210f5b6a3e-focus-asian-americans-voice-reasons-they-back-republicans-in-new-hampshire.html

And actually being in a debate with a sitting Senator as a Libertarian, which pretty much has never happened ("In a first, Libertarian candidate in Colorado’s U.S. Senate race qualifies for major debate"):

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/06/lily-tang-williams-libertarian-candidate-colorados-us-senate-debate/

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/08/what-lily-tang-williams-said-colorado-libertarian-u-s-senate/

https://www.dailycamera.com/2016/10/15/lily-tang-williams-us-senate/

Colorado Public Radio:

https://www.cpr.org/show-segment/childhood-in-china-shapes-libertarian-senate-candidates-vision-for-colorado-country/

I'm not sure if Fox News is considered a credible source, but there's more about her & China:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/survivor-maos-political-purge-getting-ptsd-watching-scary-history-repeat-college-campuses

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chinese-immigrant-running-congress-fears-marxism-followed-us-witnessing-youth-indoctrination

https://nypost.com/2024/05/15/us-news/survivor-of-maos-political-purge-getting-ptsd-watching-history-repeat-on-college-campuses/

More about China and the gun control debate with David Hogg:

https://www.westernjournal.com/watch-gun-control-activist-david-hogg-torched-ccp-survivor-go-china-see-gun-control-works/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.147.125.13 (talk) 22:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"thepoliticswatcher.com" is a random site that does not help to establish notability. Same for bunewsservice which is a college newspaper. The Heritage Foundation is not a news outlet and I shouldn't have to explain why that one doesn't count. Daily Mail is considered a deprecated source, while Fox News, Western Journal, and the New York Post are considered "generally unreliable." Getting invited to a debate is interesting but certainly not proof that she deserves a Wikipedia page. Sometimes third-party candidates get invited to a debate, it's not that rare. The Kyodo News and Reason sources are decent, but I stand by my judgment that she's not notable. Rising somewhat above the level of a random congressional candidate is not enough for a Wikipedia page. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 04:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since when are college newspapers not considered valid supporting sources? Heritage Foundation may not be a news outlet but its not deprecated and a highly influential conservative think tank. "Generally" unreliable sources need to be analyzed in totality not in part, so if there are 3 "generally" unreliable sources, a rational determination needs to be made as to whether the small part of them that is reliable is strong enough to create notability. Wickster12345 (talk) 04:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an academic journal reference where she appears: "Academic Marxism in the Crosshairs: What is at Stake in the U.S.?" in Class, Race and Corporate Power, Vol. 12, No. 1 (2024). https://www.jstor.org/stable/48771892 216.147.125.142 (talk) 15:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep For the exact same reasoning as SineBot above. Plenty of independent coverage Wickster12345 (talk) 23:42, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep subject looks notable and has enough news coverage as indicated above.Mysecretgarden (talk) 04:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean when you say she "looks notable" BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 14:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

means it is notable. Mysecretgarden (talk) 17:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What? I'm asking you *why* you think she's notable BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 18:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I assume they meant for the same reasons as noted by SineBot, as they also said: “…has enough news coverage as indicated above”.

Do you, BottleOfChocolateMilk, have any response to what SineBot had to say, as they are the one whose argument seems to inspiring the majority of “Keep” votes Wickster12345 (talk) 22:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uh...yes? I directly replied to their message right after they posted it. Also, that message was not posted by SineBot, it was posted by an IP user. SineBot is the bot that automatically adds a signature to people who don't sign their comments. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 01:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect makes the most sense to me. --Woko Sapien (talk) 21:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep is probably the best option, as she has recieved significant media coverage over numerous years and as a more minor side note, she is a major contender for a swing seat in 2024. NathanBru (talk)

Being an unelected candidate for office does not automatically make someone notable; see WP:NPOL. Also, calling NH-02 a "swing district" is a stretch. Every major election forecaster has it rated as Likely or Safe D. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 01:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But like a previously stated, that was a minor detail. She has recieved significant media coverage and does represent a district that very well could swing her way in 2024. Also, I know we’re not supposed to compare certain cases to each other, but there have been numerous other instances of less notable people in 2024 with Wikipedia articles. NathanBru (talk)

Keep because she has recieved substantial media coverage from major news outlets for both her 2022 and 2024 runs and has appeared in a documentary (The Great Awakening). 1980RWR (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for the reasons listed above. She has received substantial media coverage for her 2022 and 2024 congressional campaigns and for her 2016 U.S. Senate campaign as a Libertarian, has appeared in documentaries, and has been interviewed by national media organizations like Fox News and Newsmax. There's also precedent for people equally and even less significant than Lily Tang Williams having a Wikipedia article. George Hansel is a former small town mayor who unsuccessfully ran for Congress once and now hosts a regional talk show (the station that hosts Hansel's show is so small that it doesn't even broadcast to me, and I live in New Hampshire only an hour away from Keene); Hansel is arguably no more significant than any other local politician, yet considering his article has existed for nearly 3 years without issue, there seems to be no question that he is worthy of a Wikipedia article. Lily Tang Williams is much more significant than Hansel and I would argue that she just as deserving of a Wikipedia article, if not more so, than him. Eureka640 (talk) 03:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 16:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then ignore the Hansel argument. The fact still remains that she has been the subject of much media coverage over the past decade for her Libertarian activism and congressional candidacies, including interviews on major national news stations. Eureka640 (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, WP:GNG is met through the sheer number of sources (per above). Microplastic Consumer (talk) 14:37, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Reminder that deletion discussions are WP:NOTAVOTE and are also dependent on the quality and reliability of sources, not just the sheer number of sources. Bkissin (talk) 20:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reminder that she's been covered in the New York Times, the Boston Globe, WMUR-TV (ABC), The Denver Post, the Concord Monitor, the Union Leader, New Hampshire Public Radio, Colorado Public Radio, and an academic journal (noted above). All of those are considered "quality" and "reliable" per Wikipedia's criteria. 216.147.125.142 (talk) 23:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reminder that those are WP:ROUTINE election coverage. reppop^talk 23:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_is_and_is_not_routine_coverage

"Editors should be careful in defining what is referred to as "routine" coverage, especially when determining notability."

...

""routine coverage" is not a disqualification for notability."

""routine coverage" may indeed be significant enough to surpass Wikipedia's general notability guideline."

Politics

"Once every four years, the United States holds an election for President. These elections are "routinely" covered by every news outlet and the event is a "pre-planned event" as a part of the United States Constitution. However, that does not mean that this coverage would be excluded from notability discussions because of the WP:ROUTINE guideline." 216.147.125.142 (talk) 23:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also:

"Additionally, bear in mind that WP:ROUTINE is a subsection of the guideline Wikipedia:Notability (events) and therefore only applies to establishing notability about events. The primary guideline discussing notability of people is Wikipedia:Notability (people)." 216.147.125.142 (talk) 23:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYi, it was missed that she has been in Fox News on multiple occasions, another extremely notable source. NathanBru (talk)

Keep as WP:GNG is satisfied with the significant media coverage over the years of the subject's political/electoral history. - Amigao (talk) 15:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This shouldn't be relisted. There was enough discussion. Nine keeps and three redirects. There are plenty of legit sources listed. None of the actual content itself has been disputed.

Even if there wasn't a clear enough consensus in your mind:

"When discussions of proposals to delete articles, media, or other pages end without consensus, the normal result is the content being kept"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus#No_consensus

"relisting should not be a substitute for a no consensus closure".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting_discussions

Making an evaluation table is just tedious work. If you think it would be helpful to have the table, you should create it yourself. 216.147.123.209 (talk) 12:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

McCoy, Indiana

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Another rail point that apparently someone hoped would become a town, but "platted" does not inevitably lead to "constructed", and there's no sign there was ever anything other than station that apparently held the first post office. McCoy is a common name so lots of false hits, exacerbated by a "Lake McCoy" to the northeast, which of late seems to have been the subject of local political problems which paywalls unfortunately block my knowledge of. Mangoe (talk) 03:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lauren Fagan

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Article makes no claim to encyclopedic importance. It should have been speedy deleted per WP:A7 but it was oddly declined. Being a student and in a program that trains opera singers does not make one encyclopedic. 4meter4 (talk) 02:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Thank you, 4meter4, but as a long-term editor, one would expect you to at least follow WP:BEFORE before an AfD nom. Fagan was a student in 2016, some eight years ago. She is now a successful soprano. For example, she sang Musetta in La bohème at Covent Garden earlier this year. A simple search of Google News turns up plenty of results. AfD is not clean-up. Edwardx (talk) 09:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwardx WP:SPEEDY is different than a WP:GNG deletion rationale. The article still fails to make a credible encyclopedic claim in its current state and should be deleted under A7. SPEEDY is cleanup for articles that don’t meet a basic level of stub competency. Please read A7 which specifically excludes notability as a relevant issue. Yes notable topics can get deleted under A7.4meter4 (talk) 13:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 Your CSD nom was declined. AfD is not for relitigating declined CSDs. Different criteria apply at AfD. You need to make a different argument. Edwardx (talk) 13:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. That argument is WP:WIKILAWYERING and a subversion of both deletion policy and WP:CONSENSUS. It was the wrong call to not delete this article under A7 which doesn't make a credible encyclopedic claim. It's perfectly valid to seek community consensus to overturn a bad decision made by an editor who ignored A7 policy. If you want the encyclopedia to keep this article than I suggest you edit the article to meet a basic level of encyclopedic competence so A7 isn't valid. Otherwise, we don't keep articles on WP:BLPs that don't make a credible claim of encyclopedic importance no matter how many sources we find because WP:Notability is not relevant under A7 which is policy.4meter4 (talk) 13:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you think it "was the wrong call to not delete this article under A7", then why have you not raised this at User talk:asilvering? It was their call, not mine. Edwardx (talk) 14:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That should be obvious. It's better to use the WP:CONSENSUS process when there is a difference of opinions. That's wikipedia community policy, and WP:AFD is the community forum to discuss deletions. FYI WP:SPEEDY policy gets used at AFD with some frequency. It's not like this is an out of the norm conversation. Not all AFDs involve just WP:N. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On a side note, the tone of the comments here is overly terse and accusatory. You might want to try WP:AGF and actually look at A7 policy objectively. You can't seriously be telling me that an article telling us someone went to a music school and got into a training program for opera singers is encyclopedic.4meter4 (talk) 14:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Seems more than just a student. There are roles in major notable productions, as well as sources like these [14] TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 14:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheJoyfulTentmaker WP:A7 has to do with in article text. Not what is outside the article. Please engage with WP:A7 policy language.4meter4 (talk) 14:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It seems like none of the keep voters are engaging with WP:A7 as policy. If the current in article text remains unaltered and we close this as keep, this will be a prime candidate fro WP:DELETIONREVIEW. We either follow deletion policy or we don't. It's that simple. If editors are finding encyclopedic achievements not currently in the article text please add a sentence or two to the article so that A7 is no longer an issue. 4meter4 (talk) 14:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sharon Christman

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Article is sourced to the subject's website and to her employer's website. No independent secondary sources are in the article. Not clear the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 02:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I can't find sources yet. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The nonexistence of independent secondary sources noted in the nomination would not be a problem for some criteria of WP:PROF. But most criteria of PROF are not a good fit for academics in the performing arts (rather than the scholarship of art) and we don't have evidence that she passes any of those criteria. I think we are going to have to look for WP:ARTIST notability instead. Her faculty profile [15] (informative but not independent and therefore not contributory to GNG-notability) name-drops multiple reviewers of Christman's performances, says she "has sung leading roles too numerous to mention", and "has been a soloist many times at the Kennedy Center". Can we turn up in-depth published reviews of her performances?? Maybe User:Gerda Arendt (knowledgeable about sourcing for opera performers) might be interested in finding better sources for this one? —David Eppstein (talk) 07:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have started adding in coverage of her work. So far the best source is the 1991 in depth article from the Washington Post.^[1]

References

^ McLellan, Josepth (June 29, 1991). "HOME IS WHERE THE SOPRANO IS". Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. Retrieved 2024-09-20.

Barra Head (band)

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No credible claim of notability. Too underground to pass NMUSIC, and doesn't pass GNG either. Badbluebus (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete one source is not enough need more sources. Xegma(talk) 13:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are reviews and coverage from Gaffa ([16], [17], [18] + other coverage), Undertoner [da] ([19], [20], [21], [22], [23]) Visions [de] ([24], [25] + some information in [26], [27]) and Ox-Fanzine ([28], [29], interview) toweli (talk) 13:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alan Shefsky

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Subject does not meet notability criteria per WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Sources provided are mainly primary, and the ones that aren't are (1) an obituary, (2) Find a Grave, (3) an article about an exhibition of his letters to a pen pal, (4) a couple of notices about a tribute by one of his students. None of the sources are about him in any significant way. ... discospinster _talk 01:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I should've submitted for review. There are three newspaper articles concerning his work or renditions of it, two concerning performances of his poems by Northwestern, and another about an exhibit of his work after his death. Though I can easily link others. He seems to be congruent with a notable academic or creative figure. Hypnosef (talk) 01:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added further sources, let me know if more is still required Hypnosef (talk) 01:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! Hypnosef (talk) 02:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would respectfully disagree that none of the sources pertain to him in any significant way.

Source #5 fourteeneastmag.com details "the touring exhibition Poet to Poet: Living Letters, a 13-year correspondence between poet Abe Louise Young and poet Alan Shefsky. Their friendship was preserved in loose leaf papers of written word before Shefsky died from a brain tumor." The source explicitly pertains to his being a poet and his dying of a brain tumor. 2. #6 chicago tribune, details the two's friendship, their long correspondence, and his death from cancer. 3. prizer arts and letters, states that this touring exhibition travelled to Austin, Texas. 4. Sources 8&9 are his poems published in a well-known literary journal. The find a grave and obit were simply to establish birth and death years as they were less readily available than other information. I have also added ten different publications that thank Shefsky by name, though many more exist. These should be sufficient to establish his lasting impact in the academic community. He was a very well-known figure at Northwestern for years.

Hypnosef (talk) 02:53, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have any other input? Hypnosef (talk) 22:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neo Geo

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In short: This proposal is to delete the Neo Geo page, merging the content into SNK and Neo Geo (system), then moving Neo Geo (system) to Neo Geo. Reason: The Neo Geo platform is notable, while the Neo Geo brand is not. This change also alleviates confusion for readers between two similar articles.

In long: Neo Geo was an arcade platform released by SNK in 1990. SNK also produced two home console variations of their arcade hardware so consumers could play the same arcade games at home (Neo Geo AES and Neo Geo CD). And in recent years, they have released several devices that emulate the original Neo Geo hardware (e.g. Neo Geo X, Neo Geo Mini). All these devices play the exact same library of 150 or so Neo Geo games. This hardware format is usually what people are talking about when they say "Neo Geo". This is the subject of Neo Geo (system).

Meanwhile, SNK also used the "Neo Geo" name for two completely different products:

Hyper Neo Geo 64: A largely forgotten about arcade platform with seven released games.
Neo Geo Pocket & Pocket Color: Handheld consoles with their own shared library

There is not much to say about Neo Geo as a brand name, bridging the original platform and the two products mentioned above. This is evidenced by the current Neo Geo page being mostly just a list of SNK hardware with little commentary on it as a brand. Sources usually do not discuss them together, unless speaking in context of the history of SNK. Even SNK themselves segregates Pocket Color games from proper Neo Geo games when it comes to re-release collections, as with Neo Geo Pocket Color Selection.

So, I'm recommending to take the Neo Geo platform content (MVS, AES, CD, and retro emulation devices) out of Neo Geo and merge it into Neo Geo (system). At the same time, any commentary of Neo Geo as a broader SNK hardware brand could be summarized in a section at SNK. Once that's done, delete Neo Geo and move Neo Geo (system) under that name. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 01:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support (delete + merge) per reasons you stated and I initially suggested. Sceeegt (talk) 04:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Star Dudes

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Nominating because I do not believe it fits WP:GNG. TheHatster (talk) 00:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The nominator has not evaluated the sources already existing in the article. Toughpigs (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep seems at least two very good sources have mentions of it, which is close enough to call it notable. I have some pity on this, as it seems like a bit of internet arcana that should be noted somewhere. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep I agree with @Bluethricecreamman it's a shame that there isn't better resources for these kind of articles. But it does have just enough to be notable. Dr vulpes (Talk) 07:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Närkes Kils SK

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I tried my best in Swedish language sources but could not find significant, independent coverage about this sports club, only brief mentions in listings. Not enough to pass WP:GNG Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 00:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Very strong keep: List or not. Bolletinen has one of the strongest sports online databases in Swedish. J 1982 (talk) 07:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It will be great if you can help add some references in Swedish to improve the article and prove the club's notability! Lâm (talk) 08:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has already been done with the Bolletinen source. "Maratontabell för högsta damserien 1978–2003" emans "all-time table for the women's top division 1978–2003". J 1982 (talk) 11:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That the publisher is reliable (which I think it most likely is) is not the only criterion for notability, though. That the club appears in a table doesn't make it notable per WP:NTEAM. I do find a bit of coverage of the table tennis section, e.g. [30] and [31] – though I wonder whether those newspapers might be a bit too local to really work towards showing notability. In any case, a) the spelling "Nerikes Kils SK" is more frequent than the spelling with "ä", and b) if the article is kept, it needs a lot of work, and it ought to include more than just a brief mention of the football team in the 1970s. I don't really have an opinion at the moment about its notability. --bonadea contributions talk 14:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

St Maria Goretti's School

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I don’t see how the school is related to Maria Goretti so that could be a false move. No reference on the article to proof notability and while I decided to search and see if I could help there wasn’t any source to proof notability. Gabriel (……?) 00:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not suitable for academics and educators. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
@Xxanthippe Would you mind explaining what you mean by that please? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 00:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. This AfD page is for academics and educators, not for schools. Delete because sources are inadequate for schools. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Comment: From my research, this is not just a Port Harcourt school, it is an international school, this means that it is not only in Nigeria. Even in Nigeria, it is not only in PH, but also in Sagamu, Owerri, Benin, Lagos, etc. I found all these from searches. This looks likes what passes WP:NSCHOOL, still doing my diggings. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 00:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
VWF, let me know when you find something. Best, Reading of Beans 07:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find any source to establish notability. Best, Reading of Beans 07:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[:0-1] McLellan, Josepth (June 29, 1991). "HOME IS WHERE THE SOPRANO IS". Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. Retrieved 2024-09-20.

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